final luca 189 Report post Posted October 20, 2017 45 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: Their policies are plain dumb and I can't understand how you socialists who are well off (you race and breed horses don't you) dont understand that one way or another you are to have to reach even deeper into your pockets. I'm still waiting for Insider to explain how Winnie is going to deliver affordable housing but let's look closer at the "free tertiary education." Estimated to cost $6 billion. Bang there goes tax cuts. Suddenly everyone finds it much easier to go to university to do a BA (known as a Bugger All) in my day. No job at the end of it but I guess you could aspire to be PM now afterall you didn't need to have had a proper job to do that. Woops looks we have a problem Jacinda says Robertson. The unis don't have the capacity nor the lecturers. Ok Grant tax the rich pricks more and build bigger unis and import more lecturers. Well with the last task Jacinda we'd have to increase immigration and housing in Auckland. Or we could reduce investment in university research for example we don't really need those specialist horse units and we don't need those pasture and diary experts as they only pollute the place. Good idea G a policy that knocks off two problems at once. Well maybe Grant we need to reduce the supply of students raise the entry qualifications for them. Well J that's a bit now as we got rid of National Standards. Perhaps we could establish quotas you know like the South African Rugby Union does and fix the racial and gender issue at the same time. And on and on it goes... You socialist race horse owners think the Government is going to fix racing? As the Ad goes "you're dreaming mate".... easy to see the nat supporters they are all the dribblers here on race café.. boy when I lose, I take on the chin but some on here, are very much like mike hosking, a brat throwing his toys out of the cot .. but it is all clean fun on here isn't it guys... no one can really get so upset about politics..leave that to your bets today. elbow, Memphis2, d.burrow - Joan and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted October 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, final luca said: well, 3 terms of national what good did they do, what ever they do has got to be better in my view and for me, that is all that counts. 40% increase in average household income. Best economic growth in the OECD. As for you you might now get an extra $20 a week to spend at the TAB. Or will you use it to address the issue of hundreds of thousands of children in apparent poverty. Although that is probably fake news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted October 20, 2017 35 minutes ago, final luca said: easy to see the nat supporters they are all the dribblers here on race café.. boy when I lose, I take on the chin but some on here, are very much like mike hosking, a brat throwing his toys out of the cot .. but it is all clean fun on here isn't it guys... no one can really get so upset about politics..leave that to your bets today. Arden did lose FL - she ran 2nd. I hope she does some good and now has the chance to so. But the way she prostituted herself to the serial loser, giving him all those ministries and the DP offer, just shows how desperate she was and how stuffed up MMP can be. The major party and winner of the most seats has no say in Govt? Hello? gary1 and napier 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
final luca 189 Report post Posted October 20, 2017 35 minutes ago, Trump said: Arden did lose FL - she ran 2nd. I hope she does some good and now has the chance to so. But the way she prostituted herself to the serial loser, giving him all those ministries and the DP offer, just shows how desperate she was and how stuffed up MMP can be. The major party and winner of the most seats has no say in Govt? Hello? well aware, but under mmp she still had a shot and as history will show, SHE WON . napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, final luca said: well aware, but under mmp she still had a shot and as history will show, SHE WON . wont be long and national present someone better looking go nikki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM(the other Molloy) 1,774 Report post Posted October 20, 2017 15 hours ago, hesi said: More so a healthy dose of Asian money I have a business looking after properties on a monthly basis, all in Auckland's more affluent suburbs, Epsom, Mt Eden, Remuera, Kohimarama etc etc Over the last 3 years, we've allowed the business to drop by natural attrition, as we get older and move into other more sedentary income streams. Used to be approx 50 customers, now 20, with the 30 we have dropped off, being because of the property owners selling. ALL approx 30 sales have been to Asian buyers, most of whom can't speak English, so leave it up to their children to communicate. So when you hear the Nats saying only 3% of sales in Auckland are to overseas buyers, you start to wonder what they are trying to hide, and how they have manipulated the data Well if the Nats were wrong all those wanky economists would have jumped down their throats like they did with Stephen Joyce. But regardless if it is all Asian money it is all supply and demand Hesi. You said you allowed the business to drop off then blame the Asians for it dropping off. You appear to have a little of the Teethcinda attitude that the world owes you a living. Admittedly you have been in business so deserve some credit but you will be well aware that in business generally the harder you work the better you go. Expecting the rest of the world to carry you financially is unrealistic but your friends in the Labour Party, 90% of whom have never had a job in the private sector, ardently believe otherwise. I am sick to death of paying tax to support bludgers! gary1 and napier 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
final luca 189 Report post Posted October 20, 2017 53 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: 40% increase in average household income. Best economic growth in the OECD. As for you you might now get an extra $20 a week to spend at the TAB. Or will you use it to address the issue of hundreds of thousands of children in apparent poverty. Although that is probably fake news. 53 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: 40% increase in average household income. Best economic growth in the OECD. As for you you might now get an extra $20 a week to spend at the TAB. Or will you use it to address the issue of hundreds of thousands of children in apparent poverty. Although that is probably fake news. most likely, I won't get a red cent. but that's not what this is about is it,i've seen first hand poverty in nz yeah you can scream for them to get a job etc but that isn't an easy fix.i challenge you to live on what I get each week, or the average unemployed/pensioner/low income earner. what I received last week from winz, was $68.00 i'm lucky, because the war department stayed with me I get that doubled (her bank account) $136 in total.. that may under labour/nzf/greens increase, then it might not either. we shall see.i bet what I can afford, and if I win something big I put it into my families budget, that is how we make ends meet. it works for us not a life style many others could handle, we struggle, but we are happy, now a change of government we are even more happier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
final luca 189 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, gary1 said: wont be long and national present someone better looking go nikki to be honest gary, nikki isn't good looking and nor is jacinda.. so keep digging if you go on looks both parties, then we really are in trouble ain't we.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,062 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, gary1 said: wont be long and national present someone better looking go nikki Agree Gary, Nikki is the obvious choice for next leader, fresh new face and it will be with-in 6 months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
final luca 189 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, barryb said: Agree Gary, Nikki is the obvious choice for next leader, fresh new face and it will be with-in 6 months. our luck it will be paula Bennett. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, 2Admin2 said: 40% increase in average household income. Best economic growth in the OECD. As for you you might now get an extra $20 a week to spend at the TAB. Or will you use it to address the issue of hundreds of thousands of children in apparent poverty. Although that is probably fake news. I heard some stats expert say that on the radio a couple of days ago, but he didn't paint the same picture you do.Apparently compares figures from 10 years ago. He said while the top 50% were better off , the bottom 50% of households were worse off. He also referred to significant concerns he had with the pattern relating to the increase in % of household income required to cover rental costs. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,874 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 5 hours ago, rdytdy said: We have. This government has been dictated by someone who could not even win his electoral seat and party gained only 7% of the vote. What percentage of the vote did Act, United and the Maori Party achieve last time, when they enabled National to govern? I suspect that it was a very very small percentage! Actually it doesn't matter, as they have all nearly self destructed, which is very sad for National come the next election. I say to all you poor unhappy people out there, Barry, Ted, Trump, Gary. Admin and other posters who are extremely unhappy. It is not worth the self inflicted agro that you are going through. As a lady on the Morning Show said yesterday morning; "Suck it up buttercup and move on, then and only then will you start to feel better". Midget, Fartoomuch and Memphis2 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,874 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, 2Admin2 said: 40% increase in average household income. Best economic growth in the OECD. As for you you might now get an extra $20 a week to spend at the TAB. Or will you use it to address the issue of hundreds of thousands of children in apparent poverty. Although that is probably fake news. I would suggest that the first line of your statement is the "fake news". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Insider said: I would suggest that the first line of your statement is the "fake news". It's true from the Stats department. 4% average increase per year over the last 10 years. So Liz will you be selling a horse or two and be out there helping the hundreds of thousands of children in poverty? Or will you rely on Winnie and J doing it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,874 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 54 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: It's true from the Stats department. 4% average increase per year over the last 10 years. So Liz will you be selling a horse or two and be out there helping the hundreds of thousands of children in poverty? Or will you rely on Winnie and J doing it? If the Stats Dept is saying that the average household increase per year over the last 10 years is 4% I find that very hard to believe as I don't know of ANYONE who has received a pay increase of that amount year on year. In most instances that I know of, the increase has been less than 4% and not paid EVERY year. Actually, I do my bit in different ways. I support three different charities on a regular bases, the favourite is the NELSON ARK. Google them and see what I do. My training and stud farms bills each and every month come to $8500 on average and I don't claim back the GST on the training fees so that a fair share of extra tax paid over and above the average person, but that's my choice. Of course I will be selling a horse or two wherever possible to to keep everything afloat, my taxes including GST and supporting the NELSON ARK and others. Sorry about the answer being so long winded. You asked, so I answered. P.S. Please do google the NELSON ARK, I am passionate about the work they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Insider said: What percentage of the vote did Act, United and the Maori Party achieve last time, when they enabled National to govern? I suspect that it was a very very small percentage! Actually it doesn't matter, as they have all nearly self destructed, which is very sad for National come the next election. I say to all you poor unhappy people out there, Barry, Ted, Trump, Gary. Admin and other posters who are extremely unhappy. It is not worth the self inflicted agro that you are going through. As a lady on the Morning Show said yesterday morning; "Suck it up buttercup and move on, then and only then will you start to feel better". They all won an electorate seat you muppet, enjoy the win but please at least try and stick to the facts when you post. Of late you have been sadly lacking the ;latter Trump and gary1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,693 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Newmarket said: They all won an electorate seat you muppet, enjoy the win but please at least try and stick to the facts when you post. Of late you have been sadly lacking the ;latter Stop the name calling..last warning. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skelly 53 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, 2Admin2 said: It's true from the Stats department. 4% average increase per year over the last 10 years. The problem with using the mean income is that it doesn't provide an accurate representation of the population. If you had a look at the median income, you'd see that it had increased at a significantly slower rate. When that happens, basic maths shows that the rich were getting richer while the poor were treading water. Increasing inequality proves the system isn't working and needs an overhaul. And that's why National are losers :-P Insider and richie 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,025 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, 2Admin2 said: It's true from the Stats department. 4% average increase per year over the last 10 years. So Liz will you be selling a horse or two and be out there helping the hundreds of thousands of children in poverty? Or will you rely on Winnie and J doing it? There must be some people getting big wage rises then as just done a poll of a dozen or so people here to watch races/rugby and none of them have had a payrise of 4% every year.In fact no one has had a payrise every year.In fact most have only had 3 or 4 rises in that period and most only minimal amounts. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,759 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 Just so the deluded are clear..... barryb, rdytdy, gary1 and 2 others 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,025 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Just so the deluded are clear..... By the deluded ,do you mean the ones that haven't worked out yet how MMP works. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Insider said: If the Stats Dept is saying that the average household increase per year over the last 10 years is 4% I find that very hard to believe as I don't know of ANYONE who has received a pay increase of that amount year on year. In most instances that I know of, the increase has been less than 4% and not paid EVERY year. Actually, I do my bit in different ways. I support three different charities on a regular bases, the favourite is the NELSON ARK. Google them and see what I do. My training and stud farms bills each and every month come to $8500 on average and I don't claim back the GST on the training fees so that a fair share of extra tax paid over and above the average person, but that's my choice. Of course I will be selling a horse or two wherever possible to to keep everything afloat, my taxes including GST and supporting the NELSON ARK and others. Sorry about the answer being so long winded. You asked, so I answered. P.S. Please do google the NELSON ARK, I am passionate about the work they do. gee insider the nationals must have made you richer if your paying 8500 a month Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,874 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, gary1 said: gee insider the nationals must have made you richer if your paying 8500 a month The Nats didn’t make me rich, I am not! Nor did I go backwards under the 9 years of Helen’s Labour Government! $8500 per month is what’s needed to keep two mares, their foals, prepare and enter them in the Sales (if they make it) and have a horse (a filly for the future) in training. (Stud fees are not included) The point I was making was “my calculated investing/gambling” is part-paying a few wages, even though I am not a business owner or employer. What pleases me though is the people I use (agistment farm and trainer) pay the top wages in the industry (around Cambridge) which pleases me no end, as I know that in return the people looking after my horses are the best. P.S. google the NELSON ARK a fantastic charity doing a wonderful job with young people and orphaned dogs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Insider said: The Nats didn’t make me rich, I am not! Nor did I go backwards under the 9 years of Helen’s Labour Government! $8500 per month is what’s needed to keep two mares, their foals, prepare and enter them in the Sales (if they make it) and have a horse (a filly for the future) in training. (Stud fees are not included) The point I was making was “my calculated investing/gambling” is part-paying a few wages, even though I am not a business owner or employer. What pleases me though is the people I use (agistment farm and trainer) pay the top wages in the industry (around Cambridge) which pleases me no end, as I know that in return the people looking after my horses are the best. P.S. google the NELSON ARK a fantastic charity doing a wonderful job with young people and orphaned dogs. really insider you not rich but your paying out over 2000 a week why dont you give up breeding and donate half of what you spend to your charity you will feel better for it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grego 44 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 $20 an hour. If that breaks the bank your in the wrong trade . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...