Insider 3,880 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, gary1 said: really insider you not rich but your paying out over 2000 a week why dont you give up breeding and donate half of what you spend to your charity you will feel better for it Gary, I didn’t say I was LOSING over 2000 a week!! That’s is minimum I am spending per week which helps pay a few wages! Of course I sometimes manage to sell a yearling or RTR horse to balance the books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, poundforpound said: This anti immigration policy will stall the entire hospitality industry. We cannot survive without immigrants and kids on visas because the NZ young ones won’t do the hard jobs in kitchens etc... I note the mayor of Queenstown tonight saying they expect the tourist industry and QT to be badly impacted by this. Combine the new minimum wage being mooted, $20, and we’ve got all the ingredients for a spectacular collapse of hospitality, tourism, agriculture, construction etc.....and the $20 wage will drive many businesses off shore too. This has the potential to tear the country apart so write down your feelings now and remind yourself of where you stood on these issues when it mattered, as in right now. The only consolation is that this crew will last just three years, if that, and at the next election NZ First will be voted out of office and into oblivion.. it reallydoesnt matter p4p most kiwis wont even work for 20 hour they would rather be on winz the hospitality industry struggles to get staff i just had a mate of mine a very good chef come fron england he actually worked for claridges earning good money but now working here but happy to have the lifestyle and half the wages he was getting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Insider said: Gary, I didn’t say I was LOSING over 2000 a week!! That’s is minimum I am spending per week which helps pay a few wages! Of course I sometimes manage to sell a yearling or RTR horse to balance the books. no your right 8500 a month whats your return Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 19 minutes ago, Grego said: $20 an hour. If that breaks the bank your in the wrong trade . really grego if you had 20 staff thats 80 dollars an hour i certainly wouldnt be paying it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,880 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, poundforpound said: It’s not me, it’s the factories and manufacturers who’ll relocate offshore because labour is cheaper elsewhere. Roger Douglas and his right wing Labour Government did that for us 30+ years ago. There’s no factories or manufactures left here. The big problem will be in the rest homes were we will be soon(!) with NO ONE to look after us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,880 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, gary1 said: no your right 8500 a month whats your return That’s my business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Insider said: That’s my business. really sorry but i expect if your going to tell everyone of your losses we might want to hearr of your good luck stories Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Insider said: Roger Douglas and his right wing Labour Government did that for us 30+ years ago. There’s no factories or manufactures left here. The big problem will be in the rest homes were we will be soon(!) with NO ONE to look after us. are you sure didnt the carers get a increase but why would it worry you just take the 8500 a month and pay for carers problem solved Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,880 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, Insider said: That’s my business. Gary, sorry about the above response. The answer is that it varies depending on so many things in the racing and breeding game. Good luck, bad luck. Good decisions (stallions), bad decisions. Some years a decent loss, then the next it can be a nice profit. The secret is to stay in the game which we have managed to do for a very long time. Swoopa and gubellini 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,880 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, gary1 said: really sorry but i expect if your going to tell everyone of your losses we might want to hearr of your good luck stories Gary, the $8500 per month are not losses, they are costs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Insider said: Gary, the $8500 per month are not losses, they are costs! ok costs losses it doesnt really matter you must have good returns otherwise you wouldnt be surviving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,880 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, gary1 said: ok costs losses it doesnt really matter you must have good returns otherwise you wouldnt be surviving Over the years I have probably subsided it by thousands, otherwise I might be rich. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, gary1 said: it reallydoesnt matter p4p most kiwis wont even work for 20 hour they would rather be on winz the hospitality industry struggles to get staff i just had a mate of mine a very good chef come fron england he actually worked for claridges earning good money but now working here but happy to have the lifestyle and half the wages he was getting I think I understand your argument. You have said you won't get kiwis to work for $20 per hour,so you want to stick to employing those on work visas and keep paying them minimum wage. Why pay a non kiwi on a work visa $20 an hour when you can get away with only paying them minimum wage. What a strategy. By the way. You mention the hospitality industry. Can you tell me this. How many minimum wage overseas workers does that industry get as customers and why is that. Also tell me how many of those from overseas have you actually ever spoken too. How easy do they find it existing on minimum wage,or do you even care. Also ask them what they do with any extra dollars they may have. When you've done that come back and tell us where that money goes,and how much gets recirculated in the local economy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
final luca 189 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, gary1 said: it reallydoesnt matter p4p most kiwis wont even work for 20 hour they would rather be on winz the hospitality industry struggles to get staff i just had a mate of mine a very good chef come fron england he actually worked for claridges earning good money but now working here but happy to have the lifestyle and half the wages he was getting bullshit. nzder's do want to work, you try and live on what one gets from winz, sure you hear streached stories of a few that get heaps from winz but in reality they are few and far between, you know it, in queenstown there are 3,000 jobs , in hospitality industry that need to be filled, they ask nz der's first, but they are in short supply in that area so they rely on tourists doing the work..now it is my guess, that quite a few of those tourists are not here or have not applied for working visas, they are actually working here illegally. it a[ears there are some here that think that's fine, good on them for wanting to work, but illegal is still illegal no matter how you look at it, then you have also got to take into account some of those that rely on winz help use to be on different benefits and have all been taken off those and placed on unemployment benefits with winz knowing full well that for medical reasons some can not fulfil that duty. I for one have been told by winz that I can drive school buses,or taxi's which is fine with me, but landtransport have said if I apply for my class c liecence again, they would take me off the road all together. meaning I could not drive, anywhere even to the shops/doctors, it has something to do with diabeties, that will be happening soon enough as the last few months, I can not see what is coming towards me on the road until they are within 100 yards, but my lifestyle tics some off, well you guys can have it, it is a real hoot. nz ders want jobs, you have to be a real nutcase to think they don't, I suggest some of you guys stop a while have a think and pick up your toys you thave tossed from your cots. people like me would love to work, $20 hour is just a dream, but for some even $5 hour is an even bigger one,it just won't happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,062 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Insider said: Roger Douglas and his right wing Labour Government did that for us 30+ years ago. There’s no factories or manufactures left here. The big problem will be in the rest homes were we will be soon(!) with NO ONE to look after us. Roger did it because we were grossly over paying for goods that in many cases received massive subsidies to stay afloat. Born out of it are Jap import cars and the likes of The Warehouse, think back to the early 80’s and what goods cost in comparison to today. It was a Labour loon that got cold feet that stymied this country in 1987, Roger was implementing a flat tax 24c which economically would have been a master stroke for this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,880 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Look what happened with the All Blacks last night, that’s clearly a result of this mad coalition. They used the exact same tactics as your motley crew, kick all your valuable possessions away, refuse to tackle anything, and turn everything over to the lesser team. Of course it is the new governments fault. Everything that happens in the future will be, even the weather! Have you noticed how much better it is since they took over? I haven’t seen the sun shining brighter than it is this morning. I Have Left, gubellini, Memphis2 and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 8 hours ago, what a post said: I think I understand your argument. You have said you won't get kiwis to work for $20 per hour,so you want to stick to employing those on work visas and keep paying them minimum wage. Why pay a non kiwi on a work visa $20 an hour when you can get away with only paying them minimum wage. What a strategy. By the way. You mention the hospitality industry. Can you tell me this. How many minimum wage overseas workers does that industry get as customers and why is that. Also tell me how many of those from overseas have you actually ever spoken too. How easy do they find it existing on minimum wage,or do you even care. Also ask them what they do with any extra dollars they may have. When you've done that come back and tell us where that money goes,and how much gets recirculated in the local economy. now what a post i am actually involved in the tourism industry and get to meet plenty of different people from overseas now to answer part of your question a local vegie grower who pays $17 per hour cant get kiwis to work so he is forced into into employing people with work visas from overseas and where do those people spend there money guess what travelling round nz heres another one for you a local doc office looking for 2 people to work had to get 2 young blokes guess where from nederlands and france i wonder why porky 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 8 hours ago, final luca said: bullshit. nzder's do want to work, you try and live on what one gets from winz, sure you hear streached stories of a few that get heaps from winz but in reality they are few and far between, you know it, in queenstown there are 3,000 jobs , in hospitality industry that need to be filled, they ask nz der's first, but they are in short supply in that area so they rely on tourists doing the work..now it is my guess, that quite a few of those tourists are not here or have not applied for working visas, they are actually working here illegally. it a[ears there are some here that think that's fine, good on them for wanting to work, but illegal is still illegal no matter how you look at it, then you have also got to take into account some of those that rely on winz help use to be on different benefits and have all been taken off those and placed on unemployment benefits with winz knowing full well that for medical reasons some can not fulfil that duty. I for one have been told by winz that I can drive school buses,or taxi's which is fine with me, but landtransport have said if I apply for my class c liecence again, they would take me off the road all together. meaning I could not drive, anywhere even to the shops/doctors, it has something to do with diabeties, that will be happening soon enough as the last few months, I can not see what is coming towards me on the road until they are within 100 yards, but my lifestyle tics some off, well you guys can have it, it is a real hoot. nz ders want jobs, you have to be a real nutcase to think they don't, I suggest some of you guys stop a while have a think and pick up your toys you thave tossed from your cots. people like me would love to work, $20 hour is just a dream, but for some even $5 hour is an even bigger one,it just won't happen. in reference to illegal i think there would be only a handful as 99.9 percent of buisnesses require you to supply a ird number Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, poundforpound said: Look what happened with the All Blacks last night, that’s clearly a result of this mad coalition. They used the exact same tactics as your motley crew, kick all your valuable possessions away, refuse to tackle anything, and turn everything over to the lesser team. Not to mention our horses nowhere to be seen in the Caulfield Cup. The rot is already setting in. Memphis2, Insider and gary1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Dear Liz I understand you have considerable life experience by virtue of your many marriages, and thus I seek advice. I'm a 37 year old dentally challenged single female, although I'm partnered up with a Class A wide boy from Ponce-on-by My real partner though is a fat middle aged homo from Wellington named Grant. I'm having a bit on the side with little Jimmy from the green side too, but he's into recycling his own dung and he doesn't like horses, or cows, so I'm not a great fit there. Anyway I've just had an old grey haired fella have a crack at me, a sugar daddy type. He smells of whiskey a bit, well a lot actually, and his dementia is troubling, plus he doesn't like Maoris, or immigrants, or capitalists, or private enterprise. He doesn't even own his own home but he wants to be my life partner and spoil me rotten. Should I make him use protection and plenty of lube because I've got an awful feeling he's going to do to me what your mates have done to the WRC. What should I do Liz, can I make this love quadrangle work and will you trust me and invest in me ? BTW have you got Vern Trillo's number please ? Brilliant!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Insider said: Have you noticed how much better it is since they took over? I haven’t seen the sun shining brighter than it is this morning. Well it's dismal and grey with light rain and no sign of any sun in the Waikato this morning Liz. As Harry Style's song "Sign of the Times" goes "but you're not really good...we got to get away, we got to get away.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,084 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Insider said: Of course it is the new governments fault. Everything that happens in the future will be, even the weather! Have you noticed how much better it is since they took over? I haven’t seen the sun shining brighter than it is this morning. You're obviously nowhere north of Auckland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
final luca 189 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 7 hours ago, barryb said: Roger did it because we were grossly over paying for goods that in many cases received massive subsidies to stay afloat. Born out of it are Jap import cars and the likes of The Warehouse, think back to the early 80’s and what goods cost in comparison to today. It was a Labour loon that got cold feet that stymied this country in 1987, Roger was implementing a flat tax 24c which economically would have been a master stroke for this country. rodger douglas should be held accountable and shot at dawn . g.s.t was the down fall of a lot of small business when introduced, it was mates looking after mates and self interests, that was why when he tried to get re elected he failed big time. no one wanted him , no one forgave or forgot what he did to the people of nz.if you can not understand that then you are blind and maybe should join rodger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Insider said: Of course it is the new governments fault. Everything that happens in the future will be, even the weather! Have you noticed how much better it is since they took over? I haven’t seen the sun shining brighter than it is this morning. The weather has been overcast and dismal up here since Friday....another shite day today. Any poor bastard that drove up for a nice weekend wasted their time and petrol........and a lovely traffic jam awaits on the way home....it's all turning to crap I tell ya.... gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, final luca said: rodger douglas should be held accountable and shot at dawn . g.s.t was the down fall of a lot of small business when introduced, it was mates looking after mates and self interests, that was why when he tried to get re elected he failed big time. no one wanted him , no one forgave or forgot what he did to the people of nz.if you can not understand that then you are blind and maybe should join rodger. You should use your time on the benefit to rebalance your understanding of history. When Douglas took over the Finance portfolio the country was essentially bankrupt. Bankrupt through the interventionist policies of Muldoon following a period of rampant largesse under a Labour Government. We have a double whammy with the last living Muldoon relic in power Winnie talking intervention and isolationism along with an inexperienced raving socialist who just wants to spend more by giving to the unproductive Jacinda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...