A VICTIMS MOTHER

[mooseman 807]

23 hours ago, monkey said:

Wow totally insensitive of you mooseman, I do hope you're not serious. For the record, I'm not interested in publicity or anything else you're insinuating here. Honestly, it's hard enough for victims of sexual assault to speak out without the blaming and judgement, hence the reason it's taken me almost 10 years to say something.

monkey & Popsy, I was to fast on the keyboard last night jumping  to conclusions and saying sorry you are correct in saying/speaking out as you are correctly doing so...we, you, i, everyone needs an outlet to vent and release tension when times are tuff, im glad you found race café to make that one of your first hard steps..(im biting my nails right now)running out out things to say. The key to getting back on track is to talk to as many people (you trust) Theres always a good sort you can message on this site ('chestnut' my fav)who you trust, or citizen's advice, lifeline or youthline. google them. Am glad  you guys and girls are speaking ...at least..pat on the back..talk soon...

[Popsy 23]

9 hours ago, mooseman said:

monkey & Popsy, I was to fast on the keyboard last night jumping  to conclusions and saying sorry you are correct in saying/speaking out as you are correctly doing so...we, you, i, everyone needs an outlet to vent and release tension when times are tuff, im glad you found race café to make that one of your first hard steps..(im biting my nails right now)running out out things to say. The key to getting back on track is to talk to as many people (you trust) Theres always a good sort you can message on this site ('chestnut' my fav)who you trust, or citizen's advice, lifeline or youthline. google them. Am glad  you guys and girls are speaking ...at least..pat on the back..talk soon...

7 hours ago, hesi said:

Good man Moosey, admitting you got it wrong and apologising.

9 hours ago, mooseman said:

monkey & Popsy, I was to fast on the keyboard last night jumping  to conclusions and saying sorry you are correct in saying/speaking out as you are correctly doing so...we, you, i, everyone needs an outlet to vent and release tension when times are tuff, im glad you found race café to make that one of your first hard steps..(im biting my nails right now)running out out things to say. The key to getting back on track is to talk to as many people (you trust) Theres always a good sort you can message on this site ('chestnut' my fav)who you trust, or citizen's advice, lifeline or youthline. google them. Am glad  you guys and girls are speaking ...at least..pat on the back..talk soon...

On 15/10/2017 at 9:52 PM, Ohokaman said:

Frankly, this stuff does not belong on here. If there is a case to be answered, the Police and other authorities can sort it out.

It certainly won't be resolved on here.

Actually more victims are coming forward so speaking out is been a fantastic thing and I'm grateful that victims can support each other. 

[Popsy 23]

Thanks mooseman kind regards

[Treat 63]

Going public on a site like this is good, A. it helps give victims the confidence to speak out, when they realise they're not the only one, and that there are people who will listen, and believe them. B. It makes everyone much more aware!

[Guest 2Admin2]

I disagree.  It creates a difficult situation for any social media owners and administrators who then must constantly moderate to ensure that legal bounds are not overridden.  It also creates precedents for ALL issues posted in terms of fairness and freedom of speech.  

For issues such as those raised here there are other avenues and specialist services which are better avenues for justice if indeed justice is what is being sought.  

 

[Guest 2Admin2]

49 minutes ago, hesi said:

Perhaps a sign of frustration that the other avenues and specialist services are not delivering

Maybe so, maybe not, however the question then must be raised why are they not delivering?  Social Media tends to have very low thresholds - that is a double edged sword as to allow fairness you must allow both sides to express their opinions.  It is best not to go there.

That's not being weak or condoning any parties behaviour.  However it becomes a slippery slope where we start to rely on industry internal enforcement e.g. the RIU and the JCA to address issues that are serious and should be beyond their jurisdiction or experience.  To do so opens us up to more injustice, favoritism and vested interests prevailing.

[Varro 244]

3 hours ago, Popsy said:

Thanks mooseman kind regards

Popsy,

 

May I ask, especially with more people coming forward if there has been any developments in your pursuit?  Or any progress with appropriate authorities?

 

[aquaman 1,352]

This thread reads like a lynch mob. Full of unsubstantiated claims. I would of thought the old rule of prove it or shut up would of applied, apparently not. I don't believe any of it. Rumour and hearsay have no place in such serious allegations.

[Trump 2,741]

4 minutes ago, aquaman said:

This thread reads like a lynch mob. Full of unsubstantiated claims. I would of thought the old rule of prove it or shut up would of applied, apparently not. I don't believe any of it. Rumour and hearsay have no place in such serious allegations.

Ask Harvey Weinstein Aquaman.

[scooby3051 10,872]

8 minutes ago, aquaman said:

This thread reads like a lynch mob. Full of unsubstantiated claims. I would of thought the old rule of prove it or shut up would of applied, apparently not. I don't believe any of it. Rumour and hearsay have no place in such serious allegations.

It is factual and needs to be told...lets just leave it at that... 

[Guest 2Admin2]

3 minutes ago, Trump said:

Ask Harvey Weinstein Aquaman.

Ask President Donald Trump.

[Varro 244]

10 minutes ago, aquaman said:

This thread reads like a lynch mob. Full of unsubstantiated claims. I would of thought the old rule of prove it or shut up would of applied, apparently not. I don't believe any of it. Rumour and hearsay have no place in such serious allegations.

there are people here that have come forward to share their stories aquaman.

I asked popsy, because I understood, and was hoping to seek clarity, that some matters here are currently under investigation, or victims are being spoken too by appropriate organisations already.

 

Are you able to verify or confirm the above popsy? 

[Nerula 1,402]

These modern miss' could learn a thing from their granny. That is at the first improper move backhand the offender as hard as possible.across the face. In company is better. I have seen a big girl drop a groper on a dance floor.

if a charge of assault occurs just counter charge and that will go away.

Don't come on here and bleat, hit the prick - for the sisterhood!

[Varro 244]

4 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

My understanding of this situation is that the RIU is aware of most if not all the historical complaints, but they haven’t been able to persuade any previous complainant to give evidence or to face the inevitable scrutiny and cross examination of a public hearing.

The matter is now being collectively revisited.

It beggars belief that the NZTR Integrity Committee hasn’t acted previously because I understand they too knew of these historical complaints.

My sources are impeccable.

I guess in light of recent events, it may put into context why RIU etc tried to impose the punishment they did

[Leggy 4,076]

3 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

My sources are impeccable.

Perhaps you should have checked with them prior to some of your earlier posts on this matter.

I accept that public airing of these matters on social media is difficult for site owners and moderators. However, in my view, it is the best thing that can happen, especially if it allows even one more brave victim to speak out despite the responses from the disbelievers and Nerulas who would counter sexual violence with physical violence. Perhaps the racing industry can show some leadership in social responsibility issues since it seems incapable of doing so so on issues directly related to racing.

 

[Popsy 23]

1 hour ago, Varro said:

Popsy,

 

May I ask, especially with more people coming forward if there has been any developments in your pursuit?  Or any progress with appropriate authorities?

 

Hi yes there has. The RIU has been extreamly supportive. I'm very grateful for being able to post and having others come forward.

Thanks

[Varro 244]

23 minutes ago, Leggy said:

Perhaps you should have checked with them prior to some of your earlier posts on this matter.

I accept that public airing of these matters on social media is difficult for site owners and moderators. However, in my view, it is the best thing that can happen, especially if it allows even one more brave victim to speak out despite the responses from the disbelievers and Nerulas who would counter sexual violence with physical violence. Perhaps the racing industry can show some leadership in social responsibility issues since it seems incapable of doing so so on issues directly related to racing.

 

Leggy,

1. it was not clear at the time when conversation related to Mr Breslin came up that there were multiple victims, and allegations of victim(s) that were under 16.

2. you are trying to dig up old dirt.  it was made very clear the reasoning's for questioning the fine imposed on Mr Breslin.  It is still a matter of fact, he is not currently charged with any criminal offence related to his hand touching that young girls inner thigh.

it may explain now why perhaps the RIU tried to be so heavy handed, because in light of recent facts, you would suggest it is perhaps it is the least in which he deserves.  But that wasn't clear at the time.  And the RIU's findings were only specific to this one event. 

And going back to the initial topic, sticking strictly to the facts only, on the occasion in which Mr Breslin inappropriately touched the young girls inner thigh, he was not criminally convicted.  So therefore, it was reasonable to question on what grounds the RIU could impose fines in what can be at times a very loose term "bringing racing into disrepute".

In the instance of the initial charge by the RIU, the other question was how does the personal and private actions of Mr Breslin then bring racing into disrepute, as that ultimately means the general public opinion of NZ racing would then change, and would have a negative and detrimental impact on NZ racing.  Maybe that is all they had at the time in which they could charge him with?  But I question how his actions would make anyone think negatively of this industry, or how it would change public perception.

 

You along with others almost came across as though some here such as myself were supportive of Breslin, or were implying that his behaviour was condoned, in which it was clear at the time no one did. 

 

[Popsy 23]

Hi yes the wheels are turning again.

Kind regards

[Guest 2Admin2]

A criminal defence lawyer would have had a field day with the evidence presented.  So all those white knights make sure you have all your ducks in a row.

[Nerula 1,402]

8 hours ago, hesi said:

Then lose their job, then to seek redress seek wrongful dismissal then become unemployable in the industry 

A hard road for anyone let alone a young girl

Well there are two soft cocks on, here you and Leggy.

You would be better of picking fruit than working in this industry. Gosh woe I can't get a low paid job working all hours and six days a week while being hit on. So easy to put a stop to that crap without resorting to process.

 

[mooseman 807]

14 hours ago, Popsy said:

Thanks mooseman kind regards

 

12 hours ago, 2Admin2 said:

I disagree.  It creates a difficult situation for any social media owners and administrators who then must constantly moderate to ensure that legal bounds are not overridden.  It also creates precedents for ALL issues posted in terms of fairness and freedom of speech.  

For issues such as those raised here there are other avenues and specialist services which are better avenues for justice if indeed justice is what is being sought.  

 

Your welcome Popsy. The world doesn't appear to be getting any better with all the new technology, we all need to stop and take a few steps back.

I will also agree with 2admin2, this site is funded by one person and a couple ads .. these days so many more legal obligations...

I love race café so be nice please y'all..cheers. Moose

[scooby3051 10,872]

4 hours ago, Nerula said:

Well there are two soft cocks on, here you and Leggy.

You would be better of picking fruit than working in this industry. Gosh woe I can't get a low paid job working all hours and six days a week while being hit on. So easy to put a stop to that crap without resorting to process.

 

If you don't have anything constructive to say Nerula then don't bother posting...thanks.

[Leggy 4,076]

13 hours ago, Nerula said:

Well there are two soft cocks on, here you and Leggy.

Neil, I take it that by "soft cocks" you mean the opposite of people like yourself who have the capacity to condone sexual violence and advocate the use of violence to counter it?