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4 hours ago, 2Admin2 said:

Well you seem to have perfected that style.  Not that I'm envious of it.  Interesting how quickly some of you resort to personal attacks so readily.

It wasn’t a personal attack, more a backhanded compliment. 

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18 hours ago, 2Admin2 said:

I'm not envious of anything.  Just pointing to some realism.  But eh keep kidding yourselves that everything is rosy when it ain't.

Who suggested everything is rosy? 

What I'd like from you now, is a list of horses you've owned and/or trained with a record better than Gingernuts, to justify your constant belittling of the horse. You must be in a par with the likes of Lloyd Williams or a Bart Cummings, at the very least. Unlike yourself, I profess to know nothing. You appear to think you know everything, so you must have a long list of achievements? And don't come back with another "realism" response. You must be able to do better with all that talent.....

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Thanks for the link BB .... certainly - including from that photo (the way he is holding the horse) - it appears that Michael Dee did very well in looking after the horse the best he could.  I would have been very grateful for that if it had been my horse.  Well done young man.  

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On 11 November 2017 at 6:51 PM, 2Admin2 said:

Sadly won't win another race.

I hope Scooby can nail this quote to the wall for future reference. Given the latest assessment of Gingers injury, a bit of Jim Gibbs therapy ("..put an injured horse in a grassy paddock and nature will be the healer..") and Ginger may just get one back on this clown! :) 

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8 hours ago, Trump said:

I hope Scooby can nail this quote to the wall for future reference. Given the latest assessment of Gingers injury, a bit of Jim Gibbs therapy ("..put an injured horse in a grassy paddock and nature will be the healer..") and Ginger may just get one back on this clown! :) 

i hope so, he is a gelding and is lightly raced,  whats a year? it goes quickly.  He has a great chance i hope of coming back.  He was a positive for this industry, and gave racing positive attention, he was a good story for racing, and was fun watching him and the hype he brought to the industry

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13 hours ago, Idolmite said:

Who suggested everything is rosy? 

What I'd like from you now, is a list of horses you've owned and/or trained with a record better than Gingernuts, to justify your constant belittling of the horse. You must be in a par with the likes of Lloyd Williams or a Bart Cummings, at the very least. Unlike yourself, I profess to know nothing. You appear to think you know everything, so you must have a long list of achievements? And don't come back with another "realism" response. You must be able to do better with all that talent.....

I don't constantly belittle the horse.  I suggest you go back and look at every post I've made about Gingernuts.  Compare that to the constant belittling of Kawi by the protected species.

It is sad that it seems the hopes of the industry are pinned on one horse.

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21 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said:

I don't constantly belittle the horse.  I suggest you go back and look at every post I've made about Gingernuts.  Compare that to the constant belittling of Kawi by the protected species.

It is sad that it seems the hopes of the industry are pinned on one horse.

The difference is that everything I've said about Kawi is true, as in he's a CD quality horse who's hard to ride, not genuine, and he gets far too much press.

As for Gingernuts, he's certainly not over rated, he's international, he's a great media story, he's genuine, they thought little of him early on but he's full of surprises, and in his current predicament he deserves compassion and sensitivity.

I'd love to know what type of fracture he has because he's apparently got quite a good prognosis ( according to Te Akau ) so it's probably either not involving the joint, not detached, and maybe one of those P3 wing jobs. 

They all heal well so let's hope he's back next year doing the business.

I won't be the one all red faced and eating humble pie if he wins a decent race next year, and I note what Bob said about McGinty, I'd forgotten about him, he had a similar fracture, multiple screws, and won numerous G1 races after.

Go Gingernuts.

 

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Gingernuts’ Update

Good morning from Te Akau Stud –

As we have mentioned previously, the outpouring of love and concern for “Jerry” has just been overwhelming – we, together with Jerry’s owners, cannot tell you how much this incredible support means to us all.

We wish Jerry could read!

The latest news this evening is that today Jerry had his CT scan and it confirmed an injury that was a little more serious than we had hoped – a fracture of his pastern bone. The decision was immediately taken to operate and four screws were inserted to repair the fracture.

The good news is that he has come through this surgery very well and although these are early days – so far so good! He is happy and settled and will, all going well spend another week at the veterinary hospital before spelling at a nearby farm and then coming home to Te Akau Stud. His prognosis for a return future racing is better than 50/50 so we will all hope for the best!

We remain humbled by your care and indebted to everyone who has helped this kind, gentle and wonderful boy.

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A bit more info...

Gingernuts has had surgery to repair his injured foreleg and been given a 50/50 chance of racing again.

Gingernuts was operated on at the University of Melbourne Werribee Veterinary Clinic on Monday afternoon to repair the damage to the near fore pastern injury Gingernuts suffered when cantering to the start for Saturday's Group I Emirates Stakes at Flemington.

Te Akau Racing principal David Ellis told The Informant the injury to the Stephen Autridge and Jamie Edwards-trained four-year-old was worse than originally thought.

"An email from the Werribee Clinic said that the CT scan to further evaluate the injury confirmed a fracture of the long pastern bone and which was actually worse than originally thought," Ellis said.

"The decision was made to place Gingernuts under general anaesthetic and conduct surgery, when four compressions screws were inserted and a small fragment was removed from the fetlock joint arthroscopically.

"The fracture came together well and barring any further complications, the prognosis is that he stands a 50/50 chance for a return to racing.”

Gingernuts is expected to spend a week under supervision at the Werribee Clinic before he is moved to a suitable recovery facility and in time returns to New Zealand.

"Initially it was gut-wrenching and since then we've had to manage the situation as best we can," Ellis said. 

"Today's news is encouraging, but we are not in a position at this stage to make any plans.

"The main thing is the horse's welfare and we can assume that even in a best case scenario, the earliest he would race again would be next season."

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9 hours ago, 2Admin2 said:

It is sad that it seems the hopes of the industry are pinned on one horse.

I don't think anybody's suggesting that either. This IS a Gingernuts thread after all. 

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He's barely four years old, possibly still growing so will recover from this is realatively no time. In six months he'llbe running around hia paddock like an idiot. Time alone will see if he'll race again but his preference for softer tracks is probably in his favour. Lets just hope we see him again.

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12 hours ago, poundforpound said:

The difference is that everything I've said about Kawi is true, as in he's a CD quality horse who's hard to ride, not genuine, and he gets far too much press.

As for Gingernuts, he's certainly not over rated, he's international, he's a great media story, he's genuine, they thought little of him early on but he's full of surprises, and in his current predicament he deserves compassion and sensitivity.

I'd love to know what type of fracture he has because he's apparently got quite a good prognosis ( according to Te Akau ) so it's probably either not involving the joint, not detached, and maybe one of those P3 wing jobs. 

They all heal well so let's hope he's back next year doing the business.

I won't be the one all red faced and eating humble pie if he wins a decent race next year, and I note what Bob said about McGinty, I'd forgotten about him, he had a similar fracture, multiple screws, and won numerous G1 races after.

Go Gingernuts.

 

Out of interest ....Kawi/Gingernuts you say one is genuine and the other is not.....are you saying genuine means ability or doesn't try??

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49 minutes ago, 100 1 said:

Out of interest ....Kawi/Gingernuts you say one is genuine and the other is not.....are you saying genuine means ability or doesn't try??

I think one promises a lot but delivers fuck all....the other promises little but delivers a lot....ability wise they’re probably roughly equal, but one’s all hat, the other is all cattle.

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8 hours ago, poundforpound said:

I think one promises a lot but delivers fuck all....the other promises little but delivers a lot....ability wise they’re probably roughly equal, but one’s all hat, the other is all cattle.

Agree they are very similar ability wise but its a media problem not a horse problem

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10 minutes ago, 100 1 said:

Agree they are very similar ability wise but its a media problem not a horse problem

I guess my attitude is thst I don't like horses who're not genuine or totally trustworthy.

I never warmed to Xtravagant but I love Gingernuts, I really like Embellish too. Same yard of course so I'm not biased.

I still look at them through a jockeys eyes and ask myself, can you trust that horse? would it be compliant and easy to ride ? would it work with you or against you ? will it always give you its best ? can it cope with pressure ?

In the UK Timeform puts a squiggle next to any horse who's reluctant, not genuine, or untrustworthy. I don't think the NZ media would know how to distinguish such horses of course but it'd be a useful addition to punting if the TAB could employ someone to identify such types, then I wouldn't have to do it here :)

Anyway if Kawi got a conviction every time he behaved badly using my criteria above he'd be in Paremoremo doing life.

Where is the cheating black bastard anyway ? is he taking an injury break because someone hurt his feelings ? 

 

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25 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said:

Interesting though if you compare who Kawi has beaten compared to Gingernuts.

Beaten in the CD invariably, in the spring when most of his opposition aren't ready or just not much chop.

I'd return serve by saying how has each of the two gone in Australia ? and of course one is very much a youngster with ( hopefully ) plenty of blue sky ahead, the other is probably coming to the end of his career 

 

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