chevy86 2,710 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 12 hours ago, hesi said: He has always been a champion of the less fortunate(SuperGold card), That should make him my man Hesi because I have the Super Gold Card and I have become "less fortunate" since getting involved with racing! That smug grin reveals a deep-seated contempt for us all however and I hope not too many got suckered by the "synthetic track" promise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,064 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, hesi said: Fast women, slow horses? The Labour policy on Racing is not that bad, have a read some time. They have obviously put a bit of work into it, as they understand the core issues affecting racing Unfortunately Hesi, racing can't survive when the country is in recession due to Labour's inept front bench. Jacinda needs 3 more years to line up her team, they are a terrible rabble who have proven they are not ready to run a country yet by the total lack of preparedness for this election with policy. Though knowing labour they will have gone through 2 more leaders before the next election. globederby12 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,089 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 6 hours ago, hesi said: The Labour policy on Racing is not that bad, have a read some time. They have obviously put a bit of work into it, as they understand the core issues affecting racing Are you serious Hesi? They seem to not understand the difference between the racing and breeding industries for starters. The racing industry generated more than $167 million in export sales of thoroughbred and standard bred horses. Though some on here will like this. Uphold the position of the New Zealand Racing Board to hold the exclusive rights to racing and sports betting in New Zealand, and for the net proceeds to be returned to sustain New Zealand racing Does that mean they will oppose the current Bill which changes the direction of net proceeds to racing AND sports? Right up there with their shady smoke and mirrors tax policy for mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,720 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Everyones pissed off with everyone - lol - Winston against National about Northland, Green against Labour taking all their seats, National for the earthquake which is where they lost all their seats, and so it goes on. Whatever happens looking particularly likely that the next government wont last the full three years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,702 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 IMO nobody shoud negotiate with Peters.They should tell him what they are offering and if he doesn't like it,shut the book and carry on. It is a blight on the nz political system that one party with so few supporters can hold NZ to ransom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Heap 481 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 Very happy that I will now be getting my $1000 per annum tax cut. I intend to donate $2. to Heart Foundation; $2 to Cancer Society; $2 to Youthline and spend the remaining $994 on a new refrigerator. We don't really need one, but I thought a silver one would look nice in the kitchen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,064 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Uriah Heap said: Very happy that I will now be getting my $1000 per annum tax cut. I intend to donate $2. to Heart Foundation; $2 to Cancer Society; $2 to Youthline and spend the remaining $994 on a new refrigerator. We don't really need one, but I thought a silver one would look nice in the kitchen. https://www.budget.govt.nz/budget/2017/family-incomes-calculator/index.htm See if you can squeeze any more out using this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 4 hours ago, crustyngrizzly said: IMO nobody shoud negotiate with Peters.They should tell him what they are offering and if he doesn't like it,shut the book and carry on. It is a blight on the nz political system that one party with so few supporters can hold NZ to ransom. I hope English has a Plan B ( maybe should be Plan A ) for the unthinkable conversation with the Greens. Plenty of cultural and philosophical differences there which would make an agreement difficult, but not impossible, but the Greens might just overlook some of those things to get into power, where they might get things done. They sure as hell won't in limbo for another three years. Winston the kingmaker....he might find himself blindsided here if they play it smart.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Ohokaman said: I hope English has a Plan B ( maybe should be Plan A ) for the unthinkable conversation with the Greens. Plenty of cultural and philosophical differences there which would make an agreement difficult, but not impossible, but the Greens might just overlook some of those things to get into power, where they might get things done. They sure as hell won't in limbo for another three years. Winston the kingmaker....he might find himself blindsided here if they play it smart..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patiti 274 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 Sure the greens would get on great with Nick Smith. They might also get Joyce to show them what a budget hole looks like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 23 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Being a bitter and twisted old man, you might be right. "Fuck the Country.....I'll just do whatever is necessary to get Utu...." Exactly. http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/patrick-gower-winston-peters-wants-utu-from-steven-joyce.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 So Gower and TV3 have been telling porkies......the plot thickens. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11926775 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 1,495 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 6 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said: Well that's what the moronic public voted for mmp Yes they did, after a major coercion bombardment by the media. Its a dog by any description, and anyone with half a brain can recognize it. We don't need change for the sake of change, and no one with such a lack of mandate should be in such a position as Winston. One reason I am apolitical. Its a joke ,and has been hijacked by big business, and hidden agendas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 Time will tell. You appear to have double standards ohokaman. You've highlighted the steps National took to seek revenge on Winston, without you offering any criticism then in the next statement suggest Winston would be " bitter and twisted ..." if he sought revenge. Personally I am happy with the way things turned out. I've always got the impression Winston prefers the labour coalition, its just the results as they currently are have complicated things. Would you rather work with a team who respects you,or one in which many members can't stand you? As a Winston supporter I prefer labour,but don't mind either way,. The problem I see for him if he goes with national will be he will lose some of his support base. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 39 minutes ago, what a post said: The problem I see for him if he goes with national will be he will lose some of his support base. I suspect that if he went with Labour they would lose more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, what a post said: Time will tell. You appear to have double standards ohokaman. You've highlighted the steps National took to seek revenge on Winston, without you offering any criticism then in the next statement suggest Winston would be " bitter and twisted ..." if he sought revenge. Personally I am happy with the way things turned out. I've always got the impression Winston prefers the labour coalition, its just the results as they currently are have complicated things. Would you rather work with a team who respects you,or one in which many members can't stand you? As a Winston supporter I prefer labour,but don't mind either way,. The problem I see for him if he goes with national will be he will lose some of his support base. You need to read these posts again WAP....the only comment I would make is that putting personal grudges before the interests of the country would be typical of the man....now 72 and desperate to remain relevant. From some of the media reports they are certainly trying to give the impression of his dislike of National ( personnel included ) and by association, his " preference" for Labour. All supposition as they don't know, are beating up stories, most of which have been outed as bullshit. We'll have to wait and see which way the old prick jumps, with his massive 7% backing........whichever way he goes, plenty will be unhappy. If he goes with Labour, expect some serious fallout........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: You need to read these posts again WAP....the only comment I would make is that putting personal grudges before the interests of the country would be typical of the man....now 72 and desperate to remain relevant. From some of the media reports they are certainly trying to give the impression of his dislike of National ( personnel included ) and by association, his " preference" for Labour. All supposition as they don't know, are beating up stories, most of which have been outed as bullshit. We'll have to wait and see which way the old prick jumps, with his massive 7% backing........whichever way he goes, plenty will be unhappy. If he goes with Labour, expect some serious fallout........ You have not addressed the point I made about your double standard. You clearly are seeing things from the standpoint of a National supporter ,fair enough ,even if it is a bit condescending. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 9 hours ago, what a post said: You have not addressed the point I made about your double standard. You clearly are seeing things from the standpoint of a National supporter ,fair enough ,even if it is a bit condescending. There is no double standard. I've been pretty clear all along where I stand, but have posted other media views/opinions. Ignoring 48% of the vote with some very powerful backing will be very dangerous, but there will be blood on the floor whichever way it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 Thanks Hesi, that changed from election night obviously. The breakdowns are interesting, particularly National strength in Auckland, and the complete irrelevance of both NZF and the Greens in the South Island. Gareth Morgan would be happy with his numbers. PARTY VOTE COMPARISON AUCKLAND AUCKLAND WELLINGTON CHRISTCHURCH PARTY AUCKLAND REST OF NZ NAT 201,985 796,828 LAB 139,672 636,884 GP 26,179 140,521 NZF 22,467 100,816 TOP 7,386 40,632 ACT 3,312 21,930 PARTY NORTH ISLAND SOUTH ISLAND NAT 767,367 231,446 LAB 596,472 180,084 NZF 129,478 33,510 GP 94,915 32,080 TOP 35,475 12,543 MAOR 22,105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Heap 481 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 10 hours ago, what a post said: You clearly are seeing things from the standpoint of a National supporter ,fair enough ,even if it is a bit condescending. You don't say Whata?? The man's blue in one eye and blind in the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, Uriah Heap said: You don't say Whata?? The man's blue in one eye and blind in the other. Better that than the rose tinted jobs eh Uriah.....?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 Will be interesting to see what Winston Peters has to say in his interview tonight on Sky News Bolt Report at 10pm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalano 951 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 I don't get why everyone is calling Peters the 'Kingmaker'? Surely in a true MMP situation, the only Kingmaker is English as the top vote gatherer? He can choose to form a government with any one of NZ First, Labour (I know!), or the Greens - would you rather, at this point, be English or Peters? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 10 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Auck REST OF NZ NAT 201,985 796,828 = 998813 LAB 139,672 636,884 =776556 GP 26,179 140,521 =166,700 NZF 22,467 100,816 = 123,283 TOP 7,386 40,632 ACT 3,312 21,930 PARTY NORTH ISLAND SOUTH ISLAND NAT 767,367 231,446=998813 LAB 596,472 180,084=776556 NZF 129,478 33,510=162998 GP 94,915 32,080=126995 TOP 35,475 12,543 MAOR 22,105 Interesting figures but it appears the figures for the rest of nz have swapped nz first with the greens. I.E. 22467 +140521 = 162988.(nz first) You will find us nz first supporters,just like Winston are good with figures.Were the above figures put together by steven joyce? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,842 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 47 minutes ago, what a post said: Interesting figures but it appears the figures for the rest of nz have swapped nz first with the greens. I.E. 22467 +140521 = 162988.(nz first) You will find us nz first supporters,just like Winston are good with figures.Were the above figures put together by steven joyce? Electoral Commission figures smart arse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...