Dopey 214 Report post Posted September 22, 2017 Will Burgandy be a better sire than Darci Brahma - yes or no. his sireline does it for me and on that fact alone I'm backing burgundy you can define better if you like... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted September 23, 2017 I have pondered this also D. Of course Darci has the runs on the board as an established sire while Burgundy is just starting out. I like both of them a lot. Hard to resist that female line and of course they each have top class sires. And both have significant backers and broodmare bands to support them. Seem quite different horses in terms of type however. I don't think I have the answerr to your question but would love to hear any cafers' experiences with the progeny of each - especially Burgundy who we are still learning about ... Cheers, J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted September 23, 2017 Result at Hastings in the Gold Trail! Congrats to the team at Cambridge Stud. Burgundy now has a colt and a filly flying the flag at black type level ... not a bad start .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted September 23, 2017 Clearly No, Still early days for Burgundy and Darci Brahma has plenty of runs on the board, Darci has sired 30 Stakeswinners including 7 G1 winner's, good luck chasing that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey 214 Report post Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, BruceL said: Clearly No, Still early days for Burgundy and Darci Brahma has plenty of runs on the board, Darci has sired 30 Stakeswinners including 7 G1 winner's, good luck chasing that! So another question, you think breeding to Darci is more commercial going forward compared to burgundy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted September 23, 2017 Probably neither , Unless Burgundy really kicks up and the quality of mares increases. Cant see Aussies overly interested in a moderately performed son of Redoute's with all the options they have in Aus, still very early days for Burgundy but has made a promising start and will be a watch on him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey 214 Report post Posted September 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, BruceL said: Probably neither , Unless Burgundy really kicks up and the quality of mares increases. Cant see Aussies overly interested in a moderately performed son of Redoute's with all the options they have in Aus, still very early days for Burgundy but has made a promising start and will be a watch on him Fair comment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted September 23, 2017 39 minutes ago, Dopey said: Fair comment I agree with you guys. But as we often say - depends a bit what you are breeding for -yearling sales - offshore market - tried horse market - breed to race. I'm the latter and I like both these horses. A lot. Am I right in saying Burgundy hasn't had huge support maybe so far? - probably due to the fact (as Bruce observes) his performance didn't reach the heights of many of the top-ranked sires. But I'm prepared to back the fact that at his current fee I can expect a better than even chance of breeding something pretty handy - with a chance of sneaking a real good `un... J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,995 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 Darci Brahma has a 69-70% winners to starters ratio. Hard act for Burgundy to follow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 Yes G he really has done a pretty good job at stud IMO. The main thing he's up against is the fads and fashions that are TB breeding and the way we breeders get lured into trying"the next best thing" when the new horses hit the market each season - rather than sticking with the tried and true .... J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey 214 Report post Posted October 8, 2017 On 9/23/2017 at 3:49 PM, BruceL said: Clearly No, Still early days for Burgundy and Darci Brahma has plenty of runs on the board, Darci has sired 30 Stakeswinners including 7 G1 winner's, good luck chasing that! That's two group winners ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted October 8, 2017 It's early days yet for Burgundy ... plenty still to chase if you're comparing him with DB ...but I have a feeling after a few more show up round the place, the service fee in 2018 may not be the 2017 price ....... PS: not sure we'd take much from the comparison of first 2y/o crop - but by the end of the first year of 3y/o it would be interesting to compare notes .. anyone know what Burgundy is chasing as far as where Darci ended up after his first crop of 3y/o? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Dopey said: That's two group winners ... Great start but long way away away from comparing to Darci Brahma, that was the topic. 28 stakes including 7 G1 winners behind! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrullah 180 Report post Posted October 8, 2017 Darci Brahma first crop - Crop Foals Rnrs Wnrs Wins SW (GW) SWs(GWs) 08/09 118 99 79 298 7 (5) 25 (11) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted October 8, 2017 Pretty impressive!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...