scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 Guys and girls, once again you drag this forum into the mud, well no more, I am tired of the nonsense being posted on here without evidence. So the next one who posts unsubstantiated rubbish will be sent where the rest have, please just stop the shit and try to get along with each other, how hard is that. I am in the process of deciding how to upgrade the site and I must tell you I am very inclined to let the greyhound forum go... I spend more time cleaning up in here than anywhere, so its your choice....cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 Fair enough comment or command. aquaman 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelley 43 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 Damm Right Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonkatime 323 Report post Posted September 19, 2017 Fair point Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50 win no. 1 106 Report post Posted September 23, 2017 Good on you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Tonight 8 Report post Posted October 20, 2017 Well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 as a casual greyhound watcher is the trainer involved actually have trainers licence??? do u need a licence to be involved as a groom etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Poodle 26 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 Tim, He is a licensed person with the NZGRA, which is needed to even handle a dog on race days, but his wife Lisa is the registered trainer in this instance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 Ah so reports of him being a top trainer in the media are wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 I don't what is going on but you would think the greyhound authorities would correct the media.it sounds like he is the face of greyhounds when he is just a stable hand. Makes it look worse for the industry calling him a top trainer. greyhoundlover 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Poodle 26 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 Contact Mike Morrah at Media works Tim..He is a real neat guy, just doing his job like you do.. Yes the Authorities have a lot to do .Concerning all Codes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 14, 2017 The investigation has has gone on a long time.does no one any good.rumour innuendo.it is a very bad thing if it is true. Would be good for everyone if there is a result whatever it maybe.I listened to Mike godber on Peter early,'s show .doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast. I have raced greyhounds but not for awhile.met a lot of nice people .it's a real shame as they seem overall decent hardworking people and get more than their share of bad press. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted December 14, 2017 He's almost unrecognisable from a few years ago. Was a big unit a while back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 15, 2017 Certainly nothing unusual for his partner to train 6 or more winners a day.must be a massive operation.I see one of her big owners c rendell. Have heard him on radio seems to have enormous passion and a person any code would be happy leading them.never met but seemed onto it. What sort of numbers would the big trainers have 100? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest mouse 469 Report post Posted December 15, 2017 Talking about fair competition. The term "farm" springs to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted December 15, 2017 yes most trainers live on a farm but not big farms what trainer has 300 dogs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted December 15, 2017 40 minutes ago, Joe blogs said: yes most trainers live on a farm but not big farms what trainer has 300 dogs According to the kennel rep at the awards two years ago, they breed 300 dogs a year (I should add I do not know whether this is an official number) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted December 15, 2017 yes we know what she said but Tim asked how many would the big kennels have so jake how msny do you have as you come into being a big trainer Jabba2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Sparrow 702 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 John McInerney has 172 dogs, Lisa Cole 128, Robin Wales 76, Steve and Bonnie Evans 64 and the next biggest is 55 for J and D Bell as far as I can ascertain. John took 50 runners to Dunedin recently and won 10 races and as I write Lisa Cole (47 dogs in today at Palmerston out of a total number of 120 dogs over 15 races) has just topped that with 11 wins from 12 races so far - and there's still three to go! And I agree with the administrator. People have different opinions and while we may not agree with them at least we should be able to be civil to each other and respect and defend the other person's right to have them. I don't post here much because I've found the angry rhetoric between individuals akin to something you'd find in the playground. Let's stay away from the rumour, gossip and innuendo people and not get into 'alternative facts'. Leave that to the American politicians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 wow lisa cole had 11 winners today must be a record. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted January 15, 2018 11 hours ago, tim vince said: wow lisa cole had 11 winners today must be a record. There are many who would applaud that effort, but the simple fact is, they race large numbers of dogs and create races that they will dominate. Example: 410, 457, and 520m races containing 8 kennel runners. Most of the runners just make up the numbers for a guaranteed result. I believe they had around 53 acceptors and lined up 45 on Monday. It has been said that they have more dogs than the total from all other kennels in the CD. I don't agree that the intended domination of north island tracks is good for the future of racing on any level. How do you attract new blood to the sport when such deliberate domination exists? Given the last report, how do you justify that type of breeding? What possessed the GRNZ to sanction such large-scale breeding given the number bred by that kennel is greater than the total re-homed by GAP per annum? The future is not bright. I applaud those who hang in there despite the odds. The White Poodle, yorky, clarkie and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted January 17, 2018 I know zilch about the hounds but I see another 7 today- but can anyone stop" large scale breeding." the harness sales in the north this season are dominated by 2 or 3 vendors. mark purdon sort of dominates- chris waller the same. is it just a sign of the times. at least no one can accuse them of team driving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted January 17, 2018 4 hours ago, tim vince said: I know zilch about the hounds but I see another 7 today- but can anyone stop" large scale breeding." the harness sales in the north this season are dominated by 2 or 3 vendors. mark purdon sort of dominates- chris waller the same. is it just a sign of the times. at least no one can accuse them of team driving. In response to your first sentence, yes they can. I am not sure if you read the latest report which made recommendations in regard to breeding, but some form of regulation is imminent within the greyhound industry. What form that regulation will take is unknown at this time. Regulation ensures healthy competition. If the industry was regulated by the Commerce Commision for example, a monopoly would not be allowed to exist. Healthy competition gives the consumer options and helps keep prices down. The major players in the petroleum industry were slapped for price fixing. The quote below is from a news article that was previously posted to Racecafe, and the questions put are very valid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Sparrow 702 Report post Posted January 17, 2018 It's a complex issue in terms of its a bit like trying to "bolt the stable door after the horse has bolted" (read "greyhound and kennel" if you like) but obviously the authorities need to turn their minds to a solution to over-breeding and the monopoly situation that exists from the huge kennels where it has become a numbers game of having 6 to 8 dogs in a field and the maths of it means little chance for the other kennels because if you have 6 of 8 dogs in a field you automatically have a 75% chance of winning anyway. The tricky thing is that owners are paying fees to have their dogs run and so if you restrict this by say introducing a regulation which says no trainer may have more than half the field engaged or a more stringent variation thereof, then the owner isn't getting a fair go either and then you may get people seeing it as not being viable and not bothering to be involved and the sport suffers. But I agree with you that things need to change because its not good for the sport to have such monopolies and I suspect that its turn-off for punters too. Personally, I think it should be limited to no more than three dogs a race from any one kennel in order to level the playing field a bit. But having said that it's basically just another version of the "haves" and the "have nots" in a way - and that's been the same across all racing codes for a very long time indeed - the 'money men' rule the scene because they put up big money to chase bigger money and so they get more reward because you could argue they take bigger risks of a loss while at the same time trying to mitigate that risk of loss by sheer dint of the numbers they have and thereby creating these monopolies. Good luck to the racing chiefs in trying to find a fair solution to that lot. They'll need the wisdom of Solomon. Emotive, lad27 and GOM 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...