Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 So the great and mighty members council are meeting again this week to interview some nominees for NZTR board position due to the departure of John Stace. One wonders if they have learnt any lessons from their previous decisions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Newmarket said: So the great and mighty members council are meeting again this week to interview some nominees for NZTR board position due to the departure of John Stace. One wonders if they have learnt any lessons from their previous decisions. What lessons ? Corruption & / or chicanery 101 from Wayne Guppy and John Fockered, or however you spell his name. The Member's Council lost all credibility when they orchestrated the appointment of Alan Jackson, then proved they were further corrupted by appointing Rodger Finlay ahead of far more worthy candidates. There are good people on that council, but the two aforementioned drag the rest down with their low standards and what's been reported as devious chicanery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 51 minutes ago, Midget said: What lessons ? Corruption & / or chicanery 101 from Wayne Guppy and John Fockered, or however you spell his name. The Member's Council lost all credibility when they orchestrated the appointment of Alan Jackson, then proved they were further corrupted by appointing Rodger Finlay ahead of far more worthy candidates. There are good people on that council, but the two aforementioned drag the rest down with their low standards and what's been reported as devious chicanery. We are on the same page re lessons, your commentary says it all. I could add that the CEO should have nothing to do with the process in any form and that they actually select someone who actually has brains and knows something about the the industry. If what im hearing is correct one candidate is a standout , lets see what transpires but keep our expectations low Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Newmarket said: We are on the same page re lessons, your commentary says it all. I could add that the CEO should have nothing to do with the process in any form and that they actually select someone who actually has brains and knows something about the the industry. If what im hearing is correct one candidate is a standout , lets see what transpires but keep our expectations low Please tell me it's not another fat useless stale male from within the finance ( or associated ) industry ? FFS let's get a young female on there, or someone who'd actually done something in the game. Message me privately and tell me who the standout is please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Better still, list all the candidates so we can find the standout ourselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Its not Newmarket's job to name the candidates for i do not know them all. Im sure someone in this forum will have access to such information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Dean McKenzie, and he'd better get the nod or the industry should strike immediately. With Dean & Jason Fleming we're starting to get this show sorted, then McCarthy has to go and we should agree to seek two or three young motivated females/males, say 2:1, with experience in media, IT and governance. Stuff the breeders, the accountants, the money men, replace the lot and let's get current and relevant with our governing body. napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Getting Luke Radich back into racing at the top level would seem appropriate,. Mind you being a crown prosecutor might scare a few off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Midget said: Dean McKenzie, and he'd better get the nod or the industry should strike immediately. With Dean & Jason Fleming we're starting to get this show sorted, then McCarthy has to go and we should agree to seek two or three young motivated females/males, say 2:1, with experience in media, IT and governance. Stuff the breeders, the accountants, the money men, replace the lot and let's get current and relevant with our governing body. Looks to have a lot of merit Midget but without money and real input at NZRB level your candidates and NZTR will be merely treading water. Thats the tragic part of it all whilst the useless Glenda and John show carries on with their failed policies Patiti 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 How did Nigel Tiley get on members council. Anyone have the answer to that?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,006 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, Newmarket said: How did Nigel Tiley get on members council. Anyone have the answer to that?? Replaced Dave Haworth as Trainers' Association rep. Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 17 hours ago, Leggy said: Replaced Dave Haworth as Trainers' Association rep. Im wondering whether he was invited or bothered to attend board interviews held this week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Newmarket said: Im wondering whether he was invited or bothered to attend board interviews held this week. Whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of democracy. Surely club members deserve a say on the way the industry is run. Just confirms NZTR no longer represents clubs but rather the participants. TOM(the other Molloy) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, slam dunk said: Whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of democracy. Surely club members deserve a say on the way the industry is run. Just confirms NZTR no longer represents clubs but rather the participants. The last thing we need is more amateurs from within the club system. That model has failed us badly already, professionals who join a racing club as a hobby have zero right to rule over those who derive a living from the game. Would the NZRFU let provincial clubs run Super Rugby or the All Blacks ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM(the other Molloy) 1,774 Report post Posted September 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, slam dunk said: Whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of democracy. Surely club members deserve a say on the way the industry is run. Just confirms NZTR no longer represents clubs but rather the participants. Don't know about representing the 'participants'. From where I am sitting it represents the interests and whims of a bunch of faceless Board members and a few power crazed staff The NZ RB are no different. The idea of representing anyone at the ground level is unheard of in those parts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Midget said: The last thing we need is more amateurs from within the club system. That model has failed us badly already, professionals who join a racing club as a hobby have zero right to rule over those who derive a living from the game. Would the NZRFU let provincial clubs run Super Rugby or the All Blacks ? So why wasn't the trainers rep there to look after those you refer to Midget. Cant totally confirm this but i'm hearing NT was not at all the interviews Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Newmarket said: So why wasn't the trainers rep there to look after those you refer to Midget. Cant totally confirm this but i'm hearing NT was not at all the interviews His vote was cast by someone else as a proxy, as was Paul Kenny's, so he was effectively represented. I've spoken to five different members of the MC and they all voted for Dean McKenzie. It'll take a major act of fraud or chicanery to not elect him, but hey, if Fockerd and Guppy are involved in the decision making they could do anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Newmarket said: So why wasn't the trainers rep there to look after those you refer to Midget. Cant totally confirm this but i'm hearing NT was not at all the interviews You shouldn't be hearing anything everyone knows they're only supposed to leak to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, Midget said: His vote was cast by someone else as a proxy, as was Paul Kenny's, so he was effectively represented. I've spoken to five different members of the MC and they all voted for Dean McKenzie. It'll take a major act of fraud or chicanery to not elect him, but hey, Fockerd and Guppy could do anything. really why would you have a proxy to me that shows your not serious if you dont turn up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, gary1 said: really why would you have a proxy to me that shows your not serious if you dont turn up Really ? They read the CVs and evaluate the candidates before the meeting, their work was done and they gave xxx their proxy with instructions. Some of these guys have a demanding life outside of racing politics FFS, stop hassling them. Besides, when the last candidate was up for selection Fockered and Guppy told the other members to read the CVs but then to shut up and back off because this was just a charade and they had already decided Roger Finlay was getting the nod. Blame the WRC and those two for the rorts and chicanery, they've let the WRC fade into oblivion with bad decisions and it appears ( based on the Finlay case ) they're happy to do the same to NZTR now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 Just now, Midget said: Really ? They read the CVs and evaluate the candidates before the meeting, their work was done and they gave xxx their proxy with instructions. Some of these guys have a demanding life outside of racing politics FFS, stop hassling them. really midge whose hassling them i asked a simple question your very aggresive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, gary1 said: really midge whose hassling them i asked a simple question your very aggresive That's breaking news, me aggressive !!! First time ever gary1 and Insider 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Midget said: That's breaking news, me aggressive !!! First time ever good one what about that chinese girl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, gary1 said: good one what about that chinese girl You know 97% of the facts you read about me on the internet aren't true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 44 minutes ago, Midget said: You shouldn't be hearing anything everyone knows they're only supposed to leak to me Apologies Mr Midget, i forgot my place in society. I did enjoy getting the conversation going. As you say if DM gets back on now that snow whites gone there is at least a chance of some robust discussion.how much one person can do is another matter . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...