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Trying to make out this is an isolated event, come on. We now have a second case of someone coming forward, we have Mike Williams talking of similar things occurring when he was president and have they forgotten about the Darren Hughes incident or Hamish Goulter?

Covering up, doing nothing, hoping it will go away and then only acting when the incident is about to be broken by the media is a really bad look. Bringing in a former PSA activist now working in counselling services to say silence is important to protect the victims is a load of crock. Victims actually need a voice.

Now Jacinda Ardern is saying nothing further because a police investigation is underway. In fact all this it is going against what she wrote in 2016.  She obviously has a short memory. Remember all the controversy surrounding the Chiefs and the stripper in 2016. 

Here is what Jacinda Ardern wrote:

I’m a big believer that conversations can be the start of change. So let’s talk about the Chiefs.

I should disclose up front that they’re my team – have been since the very beginning. I’m a Morrinsville girl.

In part I blame my early onset tinnitus on moo loo bells. That’s how I know that, regardless of whether you are a rugby fan or not, these players are role models for a lot of young people. And that’s why headlines like the ones we’ve seen this week are so depressing to read.  

It’s 2016, and these are professional players – and that means being held to a high standard on the field as much as they are off it.

In an interview revealed this week, Kevin Roberts, the kiwi global advertising boss, suggested that gender diversity wasn’t an issue in his field. I obviously don’t work in his world, but many who do have stated that Roberts is unequivocally wrong.

But what do we do about that? In fact, what do we do about the vast range of fields where we continue to have massive under representation of women in senior roles? We should be asking why.

If there are claims that some are apparently choosing not to take on management roles, why is that? Are they completely unappealing work environments? Is there unconscious bias?

How about we ask women. Find out what’s going on and address it. I’m not holding my breath that will be the outcome in this particular case.

These conversations stop the moment there’s a resignation. It’s the PR quick fix – usher the source of the controversy away. But that solves nothing.

I don’t think Kevin Roberts should have been shown the door, or chosen to walk through it as the case may be – not when he needs to be a part of the conversation.

After all, apologies followed by silence changes nothing, and change is what we need.

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Personally I question the fact that Ardern knew absolutely nothing about this prior to being asked on Monday at the press conference. However a leftie journalist insisted yesterday that Jacinda is teflon clean because "she knew nothing about it" and that it won't affect her image. Really!!! Doesn't the buck stop at the top???

Mike Hosking: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has failed miserably on summer camp sex abuse

So this, I think we can all agree, is the new Government's first major crisis - and it's into day four.

The good news for them is the lawyer they've hired takes the heat off them until the report is published, due to the fact that they can, with their most earnest of expressions, every time they're asked from here on in, say we have placed it under review.

And they can add, as the until-yesterday-invisible president of the party so extravagantly said, this is the most comprehensive review of a political party ever carried out.

But - and here's where they've failed and are still failing - no heads will roll. How on earth can they say that, if they don't know what the report says?

Unless, of course, the report will say pretty much what they want it to say. There were parental consent forms signed, under-age kids present, an MP supposedly looking out for trouble. All of that, ultimately, as we know only too well, turned to mush.

They've admitted guilt in terms of care and responsibility, they failed to call police or parents, they failed to do anything until weeks later. And with all that already on the table - and God knows what else coming - they can sit there and say no jobs are in trouble?

They've got rocks in their heads, and why this has been badly handled was there for all to see. Politics 101, I think even they would privately admit it now: never keep the party leader in the dark.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern failed miserably in terms of leadership in not owning this.

She failed miserably in trying to protect Labour Party general secretary Andrew Kirton and his actions. She failed miserably in waiting till Wednesday to get hold of this and own it.

No one cares about Andrew Kirton or the president, they care about the Prime Minister. And they want to be reassured the prime minister is strong forthright, knowledgeable, capable and on top of matters. Both with the state and within her Cabinet, her party and wider organisation, she has not been.

It is James Shaw and Metiria Turei all over again: pretend it's not a big deal, bluster your way through for a day or two hoping it will go away, and then when it's all too late and the damage has been done, it ends up the way it was always gong to end up - but with more victims and casualties dragged in for good measure.

This isn't a case of denial in which a report can offer solace or escape. There are already too many damning details and admissions.

This report will either be ugly, or really ugly, and by failing abysmally on that night in question they dug a hole for themselves, and then when it went public, kept digging. It's not a hole they can't get out of. They're six months into three years.

But the opening stanza of any government is about developing credibility and professionalism and, as so many who have contacted me so rightly ask, if after six months they're shown not to be able run a youth camp, how they going to run a country?

 

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Kiwis are more trusting?

by Christie on March 15, 2018 at 12:30pm
 

It really surprised me that this article came out on a day when the government is embroiled in a sexual assault scandal which was clearly covered up, and everyone is ducking for cover. I did notice, however, that it came off the front page of Stuff very quickly.

New Zealanders have generally become slightly more trusting of the nation’s institutions, a new report shows.

In particular, people have more trust in the Government and the media, less trust in non-governmental organisations (NGOs) and the same level of trust in business compared to a year ago, according to this year’s Acumen Edelman Trust Barometer

When compared to other countries, New Zealand bucks the trend with one of the highest levels of trust in the Government. About 51 per cent of the general public trust the Government, compared to 46 per cent last year.

 

Overall New Zealand has moved up one point on the global trust index to 44 points. China has the highest level of trust at 74 points while Australia has a rating of 40 points.

China? Oh please. If they are at the top of the list of trusted Governments, what on earth is the criteria? Not low corruption, obviously.

“This can be linked to our trust in the transparency of our Government and New Zealand’s status as one of the least corrupt countries in the world.”

However, the Government still had work to do, as it was failing to meet expectations on building infrastructure, driving economic prosperity, and ensuring the poorest were catered to, she said.

And on a few other things… illegally giving alcohol to minors, hushing up sexual assault at YL meetings. Oh, and promising to build 10,000 houses in 3 years, of which they do not have a hope in hell of achieving.

The media has become slightly more trusted by the general public, rising to 31 per cent, up from 29 per cent, but the fourth estate remains the least trusted institution in New Zealand.

“We can see that fake news is having a detrimental impact on trust in the media and other institutions, with almost two-thirds of Kiwis worried about the impact of fake news,” Keely said.

About 64 per cent of respondents could not recognise journalism from rumour, and they were also struggling to tell if a piece of news was produced by a respected media organisation.

New Zealanders expected media to be guarding information quality and educating people on important issues, she said.

Who produced this report? Hans Christian Andersen? Trust in the media is at an all time low. Maybe the figures have improved slightly because so few people actually engage with the mainstream media any more.

The survey found the media was seen to be undermining trust across institutions.
As a result, 62 per cent are not sure what is true and what is not, 42 per cent don’t know which politicians to trust, and 38 per cent don’t know which companies or brands to trust.
So 62% of people don’t know what is true any more, and trust in the media is improving? Really?
Trust in NGOs, including charities, also dropped.

NGOs were seen to be failing to protect people’s privacy and personal information, failing to ensure the poorest had the minimum they needed, and failing to ensure everyone had equal opportunities to succeed.

The report says NGOs have potential to step up.

Dead right. Stop playing political games and put the money given by decent, hardworking people to the use it was intended for. Trust in not-for-profit organisations is also at an all time low, mainly because they squander so much money in things that are not important.

My trust in the NZ Government dropped like a stone in October last year. This might have been because someone who won only 7% of the vote at the election decided to form a government while ignoring the party that had received the most votes. Since then, we have reeled from stupidity to serious crisis, and it is obviously not going to get better. Exacting utu is no way to run the country. That is why I will never trust this lot, no matter what.

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It keeps getting worse.

An eyewitness at the Young Labour party during the Waihi summer camp says it was a “recipe for disaster”, describing it as an unsupervised party where people were throwing up in toilets and in the bushes from excessive boozing.

And there was a giant walk-in fridge where anyone, including people as young as 15, could just walk in and grab any booze they wanted.

The man, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the public deserved to know the true nature of the event, during which a 20-year-old is alleged to have sexually assaulted four people aged between 16 and 18.  

“On the Saturday night, even before dinner, people were playing goon bag roulette with the clothes line, hanging a bag of cask wine and sitting underneath it and spinning the clothes line,” the man said.

“On the Sunday morning after the incidents occurred, people were vomiting in toilets and in the bushes and were not able to attend morning speeches because they were so intoxicated from the night before.”

He said partying was the unofficial purpose of the weekend, where about 60 people attended, including about 20 people under 18 and as young as 15.

“It’s been spun as a conference gone bad, but it was really a weekend-long piss up, with no supervision of young people.

They chose that venue because it has a full-size walk-in chiller. A mountain of alcohol is absolutely correct. People could just go in and grab as much booze as they wanted. People were drinking within hours of arriving.”

That kind of belies Jacinda Arderns claims that she didn’t see anything. They were drinking within hours.

The man said that the young people at the camp had agreed not to drink or take drugs.

“But there wasn’t any supervision of any kind. It was an honour system, but there was no enforcement.

People at the camp were told about a helpline they could call, but he said mobile coverage was so limited that the helpline was practically pointless.

”They told us on the morning of day three to send a text, because it was more likely to get through.”

He said he did not witness any of the alleged offending, nor any drug use.

I witnessed the [alleged] offender and a victim having a conversation. It seemed to turn a little bit nasty. It went from being quite a benign conversation to quite a tense situation.”

He said the next day he was told someone had been sent away for drunken behaviour, but there had been no mention of possible sexual misconduct. An email from Young Labour to the victims in the days that followed was not good enough.

“There was no offer to talk to parents or support in making a police report. There was no phone call follow-up.

“It was treated as an individual thing that happened between two people, much like if it had happened at a flat party. But it wasn’t a flat party. The Prime Minister attended the event, sanctioned by the Labour Party, even if it was run by Young Labour.

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By Tony Trotter

 

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?” That’s the question which thousands of New Zealanders put to their families, friends, workmates and, of course, to themselves, when they learned what had happened at Labour’s 2018 summer school, held at the Waitawheta Camp near Waihi on 9-11 Februray.

The errors of judgement made by the event organisers, and then compounded by the party organisation’s leadership, have been well rehearsed over the past week.

Too many participants under the age of 18; too much alcohol; too little supervision; too few people with the experience required to manage a serious crisis; too many party members desperate to avoid a scandal.

And welcome to the scandal they tried to coverup.

And that was just for starters. Having been informed by four sixteen-year-olds that they had been sexually assaulted by an extremely drunk twenty-year-old male, the summer school organisers failed to either lay a complaint with the Police or inform the victims’ parents of what had happened to their children.

Even more astonishing was the revelation that the highly contentious decisions of the “first responders” were not immediately countermanded by the Labour Party’s General Secretary, Andrew Kirton. Not only was the senior administrative officer of the NZ Labour Party unwilling to involve the Police and the parents, but he was also unwilling to inform the leader of his party, the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern!

Why does he still have a job?

It was only when Labour’s senior officials realised that the story was about to break in the news media, that any serious thought was given to how the country might react to the summer school scandal. The extent to which these officials failed to anticipate the public’s response is, politically-speaking, one of the most concerning aspects of the whole, sorry saga.

They weren’t involved in a  victim-led process, they were involved in a  butt-covering process and a cover-up.

Instead of putting themselves in the shoes of the ordinary Kiwi parent of a teenage daughter or son and trying to imagine how they might feel about a political party which kept themselves, the cops and the Prime Minister – for goodness sake! – in the dark about their kids being sexually assaulted, the party organisation opted instead to frame its public response in terms of the victims’ right to determine what, if anything, should be done about the summer school incident.

The party’s senior officials did not believe they had the right to inform anyone about the events of 10 February without the consent of the young people directly affected. In taking this position, they were following the lead of doctors, counsellors and teachers who refuse to involve the parents of the young people who come to them seeking advice on sexual intimacy, contraceptives or, more rarely, the termination of unplanned pregnancies. According to Andrew Kirton, the party organisation was following the “victim-led” protocols of individuals and agencies who deal with sexual trauma on a daily basis.

Except that wasn’t what happened, they actually did nothing for a month, then when media were about to break the story they rushed into the “victim-led” process.

Nor should it be forgotten that it was only a few years ago that the Labour Party membership came within a few votes of carrying a remit calling for the voting age to be lowered to 16. Should New Zealand parents be surprised that a political party which seriously considered allowing 16-year-olds to vote, decided to allow the four 16-year-old victims of the summer school incident to set the parameters within which the rest of the world would be granted access to their own, extremely personal, experiences?

By adopting this impeccably “progressive” stance, Andrew Kirton and his comrades have forced Labour back into the same perilous political position it took up to defend the so-called “anti-smacking” legislation.

Morally-speaking, that was unquestionably the right thing to do. Politically-speaking, it was the height of folly. Far too many of its working-class voters interpreted Labour’s stance on smacking as an implied criticism of the way they’d raised their kids.

On this issue, Labour seems to be saying: “We’re not going to tell you that some drunken creep has groped your daughter/son during an out-of-control party at one of our summer schools, because we don’t believe you have the right to be informed.

In the words of the irrepressible editor of The Daily Blog, Martyn Bradbury:

“That position is utterly untenable to every single voting parent in NZ. And that this is the best excuse Labour could come up with since the event is a terrible blunder and political miscalculation. As the enormity of [Labour’s] defence sinks-in to every voting parent in the country, the backlash will grow and grow and grow.”

Jacinda Ardern simply cannot allow that to happen.

Too late, her own obfuscation hasn’t helped matters either.

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
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Weasel award of the week

by SB

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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has earned the Weasel award of the week for saying that if she had to sack everyone who made a mistake, there would be no one left in politics.

“We absolutely accept mistakes have been made and from a range of different people involved,” Jacinda Ardern told Newshub Nation on Saturday morning, when asked about the Young Labour summer camp scandal.

“But, look, if everyone who ever made a mistake in their job was sacked, we wouldn’t be left with many people left, particularly in politics.

“I’m sure I will make mistakes in the way that I continue to manage this on an ongoing basis too, but we will do our best.”

Ardern’s weasel statement is basically a get-out-of-jail-free card. Labour have always called for heads to roll when National party people have made a ‘mistake’ and many National MPs have resigned when their ‘mistakes’ have been made public.

John Key was particularly ruthless when it came to ‘mistakes’ and he was prepared to throw even innocent people under the bus if the accusations against them made him and his government look bad. In complete contrast, Labour under Jacinda Ardern seem to think that there should be no serious consequences for ‘mistakes’, even when they are 100% guilty as charged, if they are from her people.

So, what were these ‘mistakes’ that Ardern thinks are no big deal?

  1. Broke the law by supplying alcohol to minors (the MSM seems to be totally ignoring this ‘mistake’).
  2. No supervision of young people under their care while they were intoxicated.
  3. Four alleged sexual assaults occurred.
  4. Broke the law by using unlicensed premises to supply alcohol (the MSM seems to be ignoring this ‘mistake’ as well).
  5. They didn’t offer professional help to the alleged victims until 28 days later!
  6. They didn’t involve the police despite four very serious accusations of criminal conduct.
  7. They made the decision to hide the assaults from the multiple underage victims’ parents by not informing them about what happened.
  8. Labour MP Megan Woods didn’t tell the Prime Minister what happened.

Of those eight serious ‘mistakes’ above, our Prime Minister seems only mildly concerned about two of them.

Ms Ardern says the “major mistake” on his part was his delay in “putting support around those young people”.

[…] Ms Ardern said she didn’t think Mr Kirton should lose his job, but wouldn’t rule out the possibility he’d be asked to go following an external review of the party’s handling of the incident.

[…] She said that while there was criticism of Mr Kirton, there have also been “…people who’ve worked in the sexual abuse space who’ve said on some elements he did absolutely the right thing. So it does go both ways.”

She’s also defending Labour MP Megan Woods’ decision not to inform the Prime Minister straight away. Ms Ardern only found out through the media last week.

“That’s political management. And, look, we can talk about whether or not a no-surprises policy should’ve kicked in at that point, but actually, the more important point was working alongside the party to get the support for these young people.”

Labour MP Liz Craig, who was pictured at the camp beside young people consuming beverages, was asleep when the alleged assault occurred. However Ms Ardern says it’s not yet established whether the drinks were alcoholic.

We have seen leaked videos of drunk young people dancing on tables as well as read eyewitness accounts of young people vomiting into bushes. Then there is the indisputable photographic evidence of Labour list MP Liz Craig, drinking alcohol with young people at night. Of course, it has been established that the drinks were alcoholic!

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And that's why Andrew Kirton hasn't been sacked because Cindy had been told.

Barry Soper:

The past week has been a lesson for Labour and for its new leader Jacinda Ardern.

Politics is a goldfish bowl, anything that’s done under the party banner whether it’s a fundraising cake stall, or a gathering of idealistic youth wanting to soak up and indulge in the bonhomie of the brother and sisterhood, has the potential of being in the public eye.

What went on at the Young Labour summer camp is now being investigated by a lawyer.

 

A quick check with the camp on who booked it for “Young Labour” might well be illuminating, along with the age restrictions and OSH requirements for supervision of the camp. Sensible journalists would do this and they may well find that the people on the supervision roster and forms were not anyone at all from Young Labour, but, in fact, the main party, making the Prime Minister somewhat economical with the truth if what my sources tell me is correct.

A drunken yobbo falling over four 16-year-olds and being deeply remorseful and unable to remember the groping the next day isn’t something you’d expect the Prime Minister to have to be fronting up to the nation on.

The biggest failure of the Labour Party’s general secretary Andrew Kirton it seems was to leave the youngsters to sort it out themselves – and to only take it seriously when Cabinet Minister Megan Woods was written to by one if the four asking “s’up” when he’d heard nothing about how his groping complaint had been handled.

Given its potential to impact on the party – anything involving sex makes headlines – the Prime Minister most certainly should have known.

Ardern was left gulping at the beginning of the week when she was asked about it.

No-one it seems had told her what had gone on at the summer camp that she’d addressed earlier in the day.

Oh, she knew about it alright. She gave it away at her press conference before hurriedly falling back on her rehearsed lines.

On the cover up conspiracy, it’s true, Labour didn’t want this one spilling into the public arena which is perfectly understandable, why load your opponents’ weapons?

It’s a bit like if a company threw a party and someone who’s invited by a staff member gets out of control and makes a nuisance of himself.

The company would itself try and sort it out behind closed doors – and most certainly would not get on the blower to a rival organisation to alert them.

But the key is, the boss should be told as the company sought to put matters right.

She was told, but the party lied to protect the princess.

Labour’s deftly removed itself from the direct line of fire by appointing Wellington lawyer Maria Berryman to investigate what the party’s youth have been up to.

It means people like Kirton can stay in the trenches as the bullets whiz through the air above.

Temporarily.

Another grenade’s been hurled with claims of more sexual harassment, this time involving Young Labour in Christchurch during the last election campaign.

Apparently this involves two incidents, one allegedly involving a known sexual predator and the other an underage teenager.

Dodging the flak, the battle-weary Kirton says they’re no longer commenting on individual cases, conveniently referring inquiries to their own investigator or the police.

They’ll be hoping that’s the end of the matter for the time being but it would seem #MeToo in this party is still very much alive.

There will be more. The stories I’ve heard over the years about MPs and Young Labour are astonishing.

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Hahahaha

The great debater, holding Ardern to account

No no no, the great pretender, copy and pasting off Whaleoil, without an original thought of his own

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So you confirm yet again how thick you are. You must have been the only one who didn't know then. Pretty obvious to everyone else but you had to wait for someone else to tell you. Cut and pastes with references to authors if you bothered looking. :rolleyes:

Some good stuff the past few days about how useless your princess is. Told us last year that all their policy costings will be revealed by the end of the year. Asked today above specific policies and the stock answer "we haven't costed that yet."

She's about as useless as you are thick. :D  

 

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35 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Don't take any notice of the nutcase above, he's delusional and lives under a very damp rock.....:rolleyes:

 Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

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Now we understand why you are such a petulant ratbag Hesi. It's that troubled childhood. :D

CS will explain 

Socialists are just grown up ratbag kids

 
 

C8f0BE3VwAIN_E5.jpg?resize=630%2C379&sslA study has recently found that ratbag kids tend to grow up to be nasty socialist scumbags:

Badly behaved children are more likely to grow up to be left-wing, a study has shown.

A study of 16,000 British people in their 30s found those with troubled childhoods were more likely to favour radical socialist policies.

The study was a follow-up to research conducted when they were children at the ages of five and seven.

Those whose parents reported they had ‘conduct problems’ at in primary school were more likely to favour radical socialist polices and to smash the status quo.   

 

Wow, Jacinda must have been a real handful at school. And what about Martyn Martin Bradbury?

The findings is one of the largest studies of its kind – and overturns a view that political views are formed in the teenage years.

The study, of children in England, Scotland and Wales was published in Psychological Science.

Gary Lewis of Royal Holloway, University of London said: ‘Findings from both studies indicate that children who showed higher levels of conduct problems — that is, aggression, fighting, stealing from peers — were more likely to be economically left leaning and distrustful of the political system as adults.’ Dr Lewis analysed data from the British Cohort Study, begun in 1970, and the National Child Development Study, begun in 1958.

Both UK-based studies assessed children at birth, and were then followed up in their childhood and later in their thirties.

The parents of the children in the study completed an assessment of their child’s behaviour at the ages of either five or seven.

They were asked to say whether their children had problems relating to anxiety, conduct or hyperactivity.

When adults – at the ages of 30 or 33 – the participants filled in questionaires that assessed a variety of traits.

These included economic conservatism, political cynicism, racism, authoritarianism, and attitudes about gender inequality.

The participants were asked how much they agreed with statements such as: ‘Government should redistribute income”, ‘People like me have no say in what Government does”, “Would not want a person from another race to be boss”, “law breakers should be given stiffer sentences” and “Men and women should have [the] chance to do [the] same kind of work.’ The researchers combined the scores into two broad factors: economic and political discontent and social conservatism.

Dr Lewis found that childhood conduct problems led to economic and political discontent in adulthood – and this was true across social classes and regardless of the individual’s intelligence.

He added that conduct problems in childhood may reflect difficulty with self-control and long-term planning or early rejection of authority – either of which could lead to economic or political discontent.

Dr Lewis said: ‘We all wonder from time to time why it is that those on the other side of the fence came to be that way,’ Lewis notes. ‘These findings take us a little further down the road to answering that question.’

I am so glad the government is looking into fixing mental health issues, it may solve one particular mental health disease…socialism.

 

 

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What a disastrous week for the cobbled together coalition government of misfits.

The Young Labour summer camp with underage drinking and sexual assaults with an attempt to cover it up.

Winston Peters making statements about Russia contrary to Labour.

The Greens giving away their question time to National.

Shane Jones making a complete twat of himself over Air NZ and earning a rebuke from the princess.

And as CS points out:

Government kicking cans down the road as they launch 39 reviews, groups & investigations in 5 months

 The government stands accused of talking much, but doing much, much less.

When Bryce Edwards and John Campbell combine to boot you in the ass then you know that things are bad.

The government has announced plans for a review, a working group, an advisory group, or an investigation, every four days since it took power, despite having nine years in opposition to develop policies.

All they are doing is showing how unprepared they were for government and that their polices were not much more than some cheap bumper-sticker slogans that someone forgot to even put the glue on the back of.

The cost must be enormous for all these reviews, groups and investigations they are holding. When OIAs come back on the costs they will be further embarrassed.

The reality is that, after nine years on opposition, they had basically sat on their collective bums and just shouted slogans.

Twyford’s housing and transport plans will end in abject failure and Jones’ tree planting will become an embarrassment.

 

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