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So many on here are happy for Govt money to be given to support the Olympic and Comm Games athletes, but decry any support for Emirates Team NZ to take NZ Yachting and boat building expertise/technology to the worlds premier sailing event, where Victory brings multi millions of dollars in tourism and other industry spin-offs? On what basis? "It's a rich mans sport". Don't some dickheads realise the world and NZ needs rich people and plenty of them. They spend more, employ more and without them, many so called poor people, would be worse off. I hate envy and it certainly raises it's ugly head on this site. Lloyd Williams is wealthy but has lost a fortune chasing his 5 Melb cup victories. But in the process he's spent millions buying NZ horses (especially Zabeel yearlings) kept hundreds in employment etc. But he's obviously a cxxt. Why? Because he's rich. Let's celebrate this AC victory for what it is and what it will mean to NZ, the restaurants, bars, accomm, food Wholesalers, liquor sales, whores, florists, etc etc, because this rich mans sport will deliver big time in 2021. 

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No Trump, Lloyd isn't a c##t because he's rich....he's just a c##t. When Moroney and I were in business buying and selling horses, the bloke asked us to buy a Melbourne Cup horse in the UK. We chose Natski. When it came to him paying our commission he told us to piss off and that he was doing us a favour allowing us to buy the horse....good exposure he said. Horse ran second beaten a nose and never before have I ever cheered a horse as much to be rolled in the great race. Missed by a nose.

Then he concocted the deal with Packer to take money off banks, poor contractors and a government, by placing Crown Casino into administration, getting Packer to bankroll a settlement where $800m was wiped off everyone else's balance sheets, only to end up as a part owner.....

One of the worst...

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Couldn't agree more Mr Berri.Had some investment in Crown early days when he  sent it broke so Packer could get his hands on it having failed to secure Star Casino in Sydney.Blamed the big winning Asian punters for sending it broke. Unfortunately I ended up with handful of PBL shares which I positioned in the dunny in case of emergency.

So yes a c##t indeed.

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2 hours ago, Berri said:

No Trump, Lloyd isn't a c##t because he's rich....he's just a c##t. When Moroney and I were in business buying and selling horses, the bloke asked us to buy a Melbourne Cup horse in the UK. We chose Natski. When it came to him paying our commission he told us to piss off and that he was doing us a favour allowing us to buy the horse....good exposure he said. Horse ran second beaten a nose and never before have I ever cheered a horse as much to be rolled in the great race. Missed by a nose.

Then he concocted the deal with Packer to take money off banks, poor contractors and a government, by placing Crown Casino into administration, getting Packer to bankroll a settlement where $800m was wiped off everyone else's balance sheets, only to end up as a part owner.....

One of the worst...

So what if he is he is not Robinson Crusoe there is he now... but what Trump says is true no matter what type of businessman he is there is no doubt he has tipped a fortune into racing... and employed hundreds of people.. those same wealthy c.... will bring their regatta to Auckland hopefully and good old NZ will make a tidy bit of dough from it... how is that a bad thing...?????? Berri this is not a dirty laundry thread this is about a fantastic sporting achievement for a team of underdogs.

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Never meant it to be a dirty laundry thread. I admire what these blokes are doing with their money. They give people encouragement and provide hope in an effort to push the envelope as far as they can. I admire the pursuit they endeavour to achieve. I really get off on the thought that there still are people who are willing to take risks, indulge the young and defy the process called the status quo.

We lack all these materially important attributes in the racing industry and we have suffered for 30 odd years of complacency and inept management, where no one has been listening to the young brigade. We will continue to be disappointed if we don't change the governance structure. It has failed....plain and simple. We also have rich wealthy people in our industry. Problem is we don't embrace them. Lloyd is a very very bad example. A bloke like Ray Coupland is a very good example. He should have been knighted every day of the week.

May, just maybe, the governance structure will see the sailors and go "we want to be that". I won't hold my breath but maybe our postman is the breath of air we need.

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11 hours ago, globederby12 said:

Oh give me a break. Dalton should sell some of his real estate to pay them. Chasing a dream for self interest whilst hanging on to his riches. I have no time for the man.

And if you notice I did say "with limited resources". We clearly had the quicker boat , which became clear very early on. Oracles two boats still weren't good enough, so all the extra training came to nought.. In fact the odds were stacked in our favor, as it became plaintively obvious.

What??!!! We didnt have the fastest boat before construction pal! You need money first then you construct! 

Face it Oracle did everything they could to make it unfair to other syndicates. We stood our ground, took more risks and pummeled them.

Oracle huge under achievers.

TNZ just did what they do at every Cup - kept to the AC deed and sailed outstandingly well.

Spitall and Coutts don't deserve an ounce of sympathy or praise. People say they have been gracious. Gracious???!!! Really??!! You got thrashed 8-1 guys! Saying the better team won is actually EXPECTED, not gracious. Some people in NZ need to wake up to that fact.

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10 hours ago, Trump said:

So many on here are happy for Govt money to be given to support the Olympic and Comm Games athletes, but decry any support for Emirates Team NZ to take NZ Yachting and boat building expertise/technology to the worlds premier sailing event, where Victory brings multi millions of dollars in tourism and other industry spin-offs? On what basis? "It's a rich mans sport". Don't some dickheads realise the world and NZ needs rich people and plenty of them. They spend more, employ more and without them, many so called poor people, would be worse off. I hate envy and it certainly raises it's ugly head on this site. Lloyd Williams is wealthy but has lost a fortune chasing his 5 Melb cup victories. But in the process he's spent millions buying NZ horses (especially Zabeel yearlings) kept hundreds in employment etc. But he's obviously a cxxt. Why? Because he's rich. Let's celebrate this AC victory for what it is and what it will mean to NZ, the restaurants, bars, accomm, food Wholesalers, liquor sales, whores, florists, etc etc, because this rich mans sport will deliver big time in 2021. 

Midget is rubbing his hands like a good un' at the thought Trumpy.....it will be great for Auckland....B)

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Maybe instead of LW I should have used Sir Stephen Tindal or, Sir Colin Giltrap or any other such high achiever to make my point. Someone you may not have done business with Berri? :) I'm sure you got my point re the importance of the rich. Every time I go to church I pray that the rich get richer. Without them we would all be poorer :( 

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WE didn't win the cup ETNZ won the thing and its no mystery to me that the team heads to Dubai to celebrate the main backers, before coming home.

We didn't put a cracker into this campaign just finished as the people were against that and the government followed them.

We can call the next campaign "ours" if we or our government stump up with an investment in the thing.

 

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2 hours ago, THE TORCH said:

What??!!! We didnt have the fastest boat before construction pal! You need money first then you construct!

Torch, what I meant was that with limited resources we had managed to construct a brilliant boat and it became clear from early on that once the crew got their head around sailing it ,it was very quick and I am sure Oracle knew they were up against it.

And Trump, envy doesn't come into the equation for me. It would be interesting to know how many other country's citizens have been told their govt is going to stump up millions for a boat race. If the spin off pays for operations in our hospitals, improves our roads, or cleans up our waterways ,then hey, I'm all for it.

Oh shit there goes another flying pig

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We should stump it up GD12. There will be a tangible economic return (TER) for the NZ economy. The govt stumps up millions for the Olympics and Comm games with nowhere near the TER to the country. The individuals benefit and the country bathes in pride at their glory. But with the AC, we have pride, can gloat, and all along there is going to be the huge return economically. It's a no brainer and all this "rich mans sport" (which it is) whingeing is just ignorance. As for the aside of "cleaning up waterways", can't "regulations" fix that? 

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You know how big it got when rugby ran a distant second to yachting on page views in the main blogs NZH and Stuff so its a certainty the government will put in some of our tax money. What polly doesn't want his pic taken with winners?

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3 hours ago, Nerula said:

You know how big it got when rugby ran a distant second to yachting on page views in the main blogs NZH and Stuff so its a certainty the government will put in some of our tax money. What polly doesn't want his pic taken with winners?

Good point, I wonder where the PM is watching the parade Thursday.

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19 hours ago, Berri said:

No Trump, Lloyd isn't a c##t because he's rich....he's just a c##t. When Moroney and I were in business buying and selling horses, the bloke asked us to buy a Melbourne Cup horse in the UK. We chose Natski. When it came to him paying our commission he told us to piss off and that he was doing us a favour allowing us to buy the horse....good exposure he said. Horse ran second beaten a nose and never before have I ever cheered a horse as much to be rolled in the great race. Missed by a nose.

Then he concocted the deal with Packer to take money off banks, poor contractors and a government, by placing Crown Casino into administration, getting Packer to bankroll a settlement where $800m was wiped off everyone else's balance sheets, only to end up as a part owner.....

One of the worst...

geez berri how many has he won  thats very sour grapes to be cheering that

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37 minutes ago, Midget said:

Good point, I wonder where the PM is watching the parade Thursday.

Where the fireworks are?

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Don't worry. If the smart people are managing it, the PM will be in the box seat, seeing the enthusiasm, feeling the vibe, the excitement, the pulsating exuberance of the "rich" celebrating - alongside thousands of proud "poor" New Zealanders ! 

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13 hours ago, Trump said:

We should stump it up GD12. There will be a tangible economic return (TER) for the NZ economy. The govt stumps up millions for the Olympics and Comm games with nowhere near the TER to the country. The individuals benefit and the country bathes in pride at their glory. But with the AC, we have pride, can gloat, and all along there is going to be the huge return economically. It's a no brainer and all this "rich mans sport" (which it is) whingeing is just ignorance. As for the aside of "cleaning up waterways", can't "regulations" fix that? 

The govt doesn't directly stump up millions for the Olympics etc.

It indirectly contributes thru Sport NZ High Performance payment to the NZOC.

Being an Olympic year the NZOC 'lost' about $1.2 mil in 2016.

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