Paddymc 24 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 Highview will stand a Group1 winning son of High Chaparral. Thoughts? http://www.nzracing.co.nz/News/21719/Highview-signs-Group-One-winner-to-roster-.aspx http://www.pedigreequery.com/wrote HIGH CHAPARRAL (IRE) b. 1999 SADLERS WELLS (USA) b. 1981 [CS] NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC] NEARCTIC (CAN) br. 1954 NEARCO (ITY) br. 1935 [BC] LADY ANGELA (GB) ch. 1944 NATALMA (USA)* b. 1957 NATIVE DANCER (USA) gr. 1950 [IC] ALMAHMOUD (USA) ch. 1947 * FAIRY BRIDGE (USA)* b. 1975 BOLD REASON (USA) b. 1968 HAIL TO REASON (USA) br. 1958 [C] LALUN (USA) b. 1952 * SPECIAL (USA)* b. 1969 FORLI (ARG) ch. 1963 [C] THONG (USA) b. 1964 * KASORA (IRE) b. 1993 DARSHAAN (GB) br. 1981 SHIRLEY HEIGHTS (GB) b. 1975 [CP] MILL REEF (USA) b. 1968 [CS] HARDIEMMA (GB) b. 1969 DELSY (FR) blk/br. 1972 ABDOS (FR) br. 1959 KELTY (FR) b. 1965 KOZANA (GB) dkb/br. 1982 KRIS (GB) ch. 1976 SHARPEN UP (GB) ch. 1969 [BC] DOUBLY SURE (GB) b. 1971 KOBLENZA (FR) b. 1966 HUGH LUPUS (FR) b. 1952 KALIMARA (FR) b. 1960 DESERT CLASSIC (GB) b. 2002 GREEN DESERT (USA) br. 1983 DANZIG (USA) b. 1977 [IC] NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC] NEARCTIC (CAN) br. 1954 NATALMA (USA) b. 1957 * PAS DE NOM (USA) br. 1968 ADMIRALS VOYAGE (USA) dkb/br. 1959 PETITIONER (GB) b. 1952 * FOREIGN COURIER (USA) b. 1979 SIR IVOR (USA) b. 1965 [IC] SIR GAYLORD (USA) br. 1959 [IC] ATTICA (USA) ch. 1953 * COURTLY DEE (USA)* dkb/br. 1968 NEVER BEND (USA) br. 1960 [BI] TULLE (USA) b. 1950 HIGH STANDARD (GB) ch. 1992 KRIS (GB) ch. 1976 SHARPEN UP (GB) ch. 1969 [BC] ATAN (USA) ch. 1961 ROCCHETTA (GB) ch. 1961 DOUBLY SURE (GB) b. 1971 RELIANCE (FR) br. 1962 [SP] SOFT ANGELS (GB) ch. 1963 DURRAH (USA) b. 1985 NIJINSKY (CAN) b. 1967 [CS] NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC] FLAMING PAGE (CAN) b. 1959 * SPECIAL (USA)* b. 1969 FORLI (ARG) ch. 1963 [C] THONG (USA) b. 1964 * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 Traces back to the influential broodmare Special. Won the G1 Breeders Cup Juvenile on turf at a mile then didn't really train on at 3, which explains the modest service fee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 What a family ! Reasonably priced , you'd have to think he'd get a decent sized book at that price and fair dealt to them in his G1 win : Paddymc and Dopey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
optical 41 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 I see he has stood in the US since 2014. Maybe that has something to do with his modest fee? Still, attractive to the breeder who likes the bloodlines and wants to race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patiti 274 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 4 hours ago, BruceL said: Traces back to the influential broodmare Special. Won the G1 Breeders Cup Juvenile on turf at a mile then didn't really train on at 3, which explains the modest service fee. Also Special in Sadlers Wells Great cross but may not be potent Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inside edge 23 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 Nice breeding and a very nice and fair stud fee. I would consider breeding to this guy. Well done High View... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted May 30, 2017 12 hours ago, optical said: I see he has stood in the US since 2014. Maybe that has something to do with his modest fee? Still, attractive to the breeder who likes the bloodlines and wants to race. Only just 2YO's now and no runners yet so who knows .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrullah 180 Report post Posted May 30, 2017 Found Wrote's Northern Hemisphere Auction results for 2016. Five colts and two fillies. Service fee US$3,000. 2017 2016 Covering Sire Weanlings Yearlings 2-Y-Os Covering Sire Weanlings Yearlings 2-Y-Os Number Sold 0 0 0 0 0 1 7 0 Total Average $0 $0 $0 $0 $0 $2,500 $3,957 $0 Total Median $0 $0 $0 $0 $0 $2,500 $1,500 $0 Colt Average n/a $0 (0) $0 (0) $0 (0) n/a $2,500 (1) $5,040 (5) $0 (0) Filly Average n/a $0 (0) $0 (0) $0 (0) n/a $0 (0) $1,250 (2) $0 (0) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted May 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Nasrullah said: Found Wrote's Northern Hemisphere Auction results for 2016. Five colts and two fillies. Service fee US$3,000. 2017 2016 Covering Sire Weanlings Yearlings 2-Y-Os Covering Sire Weanlings Yearlings 2-Y-Os Number Sold 0 0 0 0 0 1 7 0 Total Average $0 $0 $0 $0 $0 $2,500 $3,957 $0 Total Median $0 $0 $0 $0 $0 $2,500 $1,500 $0 Colt Average n/a $0 (0) $0 (0) $0 (0) n/a $2,500 (1) $5,040 (5) $0 (0) Filly Average n/a $0 (0) $0 (0) $0 (0) n/a $0 (0) $1,250 (2) $0 (0) I wouldn't worry about that, the Yanks under appreciate High Chap at any rate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby 160 Report post Posted June 28, 2017 Yes agree with Huey's comments also under appreciate Lohnro stock. Good luck to the stud. I've been watching in oz a few nice Bullbars going around here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted June 28, 2017 I really like this horse, however I'd be curious to know why Coolmore did not hang on to him? In saying that, to win a breeders cup Juvenile is excellent....His female line is superb and his fee is more than reasonable. But I guess, the commercial breeders will be drawn into Tivaci... Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted June 28, 2017 I would guess main reason is that his form after winning the Breeders Cup Turf Juvenile was very very average. After winning the G1, he ran 3rd in a Dubai Derby, then was 3rd in a 5 horse G2 field beaten 7 3/4lengths as a hot favourite, then only 7th in the Irish Guineas, then beaten 32 lengths in the St James Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot, changed trainer and wetn to America then ran last in a G2 over there. His form didn't stack up as a 3yo (was very average) and was shipped on by Coolmore, not knocking the horse as a stallion chance down here but that would be the reason Coolmore no longer have him I would suggest! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Gillovic 5 Report post Posted June 30, 2017 I would like to take this opportunity to clarify a couple of those issues raised about Wrote as best I can. Coolmore trade a large number of horses particularly if the money is good enough. The horse that beat him in Dubai, Daddy Long Legs (Scat Daddy) was sold to HK after winning the Dubai Derby and he was also a 2yo that beat Wrote at Royal Ascot in a G2. Sweet Orange, a horse we stood was another sold by Coolmore to HK as a stakes winning 2yo. I know he was an expensive purchase amongst a package of horses sold to the current owner(s) as a racehorse, rather than a stallion but he had clearly trained off. hardly shipped on. You can watch his run in the Dubai Derby where Helmet led them up for a fair way and it was a pretty solid effort. He sat 3 wide facing the breeze and wasn't beaten much by the winner and nothing in it for second. I know I wouldn't have been happy with the ride. I do agree he trained off or decided he would rather be a stallion and there is nothing new in that. In summary we think he is a great prospect at a very modest fee. Time will tell but the response to him has been very encouraging. Cheers ADM, Huey, Breeder and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted June 30, 2017 Best of luck with him Brent, If he didn't train off (plenty stallions do), as a G1 winning son of High Chaparral he wouldn't be accessible for $5,000! Well priced and hopefully he gets well supported! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted June 30, 2017 Thanks for posting a response Brent. Now we have you here - I wonder if the moderators would indulge me and allow you to tell us a bit more about the horse - conformation, temperament - types of mares you think best suited and that sort of thing? We know you have a vested interest (naturally) but I for one would nevertheless be interested to hear more about Wrote. Kind regards,J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted June 30, 2017 Hi Brent & Bruce - thanks to both of you for the input. Brent thanks for the clarification on Wrote. I really like this horse and will be in touch with regarding one of our mares. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddymc 24 Report post Posted June 30, 2017 While this thread is about Wrote, Highview's other stallion is on a roll at the moment - since 4 June, his 13 starters (in Oz/NZ/HK) have got 4 wins, 2 seconds, 3 thirds, 2 4ths & 2 5ths - one of the 5ths was in the Queensland Derby Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted July 1, 2017 21 hours ago, jess said: Thanks for posting a response Brent. Now we have you here - I wonder if the moderators would indulge me and allow you to tell us a bit more about the horse - conformation, temperament - types of mares you think best suited and that sort of thing? We know you have a vested interest (naturally) but I for one would nevertheless be interested to hear more about Wrote. Kind regards,J I'm more than happy to answer the above question of ...what sort of mares would suit this stallion..? not on type but from pedigree or line breeding point of view. And before I start I would like to add I have no vested interest in this stallion or connections with Highview Stud. However I do race a horse by Sufficient who has won three from six starts (bred solely on line breeding principles) and would not have existed without Brent's initiative. I think Wrote is a very exciting stallion with some exceptional bloodlines and when matched with the right mares will have the capabilities to produce some outstanding racehorses. My reasons are when looking at any horse, (stallion or mare) the first place I look is it's 'bottom line' or female family and as we can see Wrote belongs to the world class female family of Sadler's Wells, Nureyev and Fairy King. More importantly when we look at the best strike rate of Group One winners produced by stallions like Sir Tristram, Redoute's Choice, and Zabeel their best results came when their 'bottom line' or female family was bred back to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted July 1, 2017 Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted July 1, 2017 Line breeding to Zabeel's 'bottom line' or female family produced a strike rate of 1 Group One winner in every 7 runners. Over four times better than his own average. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted July 1, 2017 So to copy the above patterns I would use mares from the male line of Nureyev, eg, Stravinsky, Thorn Park, Peintre Celbre, or Soviet Star etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted July 1, 2017 Mares by Encosta de Lago would also produce line breeding to the 'bottom line " or female family of Wrote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted July 1, 2017 When looking at the pedigrees above we can see that this is similar to the pattern that took place when line breeding to Sir Tristram's 'bottom line' ........... a double of the pattern occurs Wrote not only comes from the female family of.... Special ....it is carried through his sire also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted July 1, 2017 Swynford - I have a Flying Spur from a Carnegie mare...therefore that horse by Wrote will have multiple crosses of Special....? Very exciting... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted July 3, 2017 Agree with you La Zip, and the expected progeny would also have a double of Sadler's Wells which is appearing in a number of good horses in the UK. If you are unable to breed to the 'Special' bloodlines with WROTE there is still a multitude of options using line breeding to help increase the odds of producing a good horse. So before expand on these I will explain a little on what I consider to be a good pedigree from a 'line breeding point of view. This horse below is a great example aof one and was Horse of the Year in 20012 & 2013 and winner of $7.5 million. When planning thoroughbred matings I always start with the male line of the mare. Using one of the names on this 'male line' I would try and breed back to it as above,(through the bottom line of the stallion,) and if not possible then to one of the 'brood-mare sires' in that female line like below La Zip 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...