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With the 2017 election less than 5 months away,and with the likelihood of a change of government extremely high,is it not about time the racing industry leaders started to lobby the appropriate parties concerned so that they will be on a good footing when the change of government occurs.  Getting commitment over policies affecting racing and having the appropriate voice within government should be a priority,so is anyone doing anything about it.  There may be  tough times ahead if % rates rise as predicted in 2019/20,meaing the discretionary dollar will not be there to be spent on recreational pursuits like racing. Planning ahead and having support in the right places will be very important to the racing industry. The leaders of the racing industry have a responsibility, as does the leadership that represent those other groups within society. Lets hope they have a strategy.

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You say liklihood is for change of government.       For racings sake I hope you wrong - you've seen with the green influence what has happened to the whipping rule.       If these sandal brigaders get any say we might as well shut up shop on racing with the restrictions/changes they will demand.    Just one possibility - nailing on shoes would be classed extreme cruelty! 

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Richie where I am from which has a well liked national mp there is definitely  a dissatisfaction with national. I speak to quite a few different people everyday and it seems to be a constant theme. I think picking national to lose is like tipping lazarus to win horse of the year. Eljay I think what you mention about the greens is relevant and one of the many  reasons why racing leaders should be seeking assurances/promises from lthe other coalition parties on certain subjects.

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Just now, what a post said:

Richie where I am from which has a well liked national mp there is definitely  a dissatisfaction with national. I speak to quite a few different people everyday and it seems to be a constant theme. I think picking national to lose is like tipping lazarus to win horse of the year. Eljay I think what you mention about the greens is relevant and one of the many  reasons why racing leaders should be seeking assurances/promises from lthe other coalition parties on certain subjects.

I hope you are right What a Post,but unfortunately i think we only got  little chance with Little as leader.

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23 minutes ago, richie said:

I am staunch Labour but i cant see there being a change in Government this election.But think with Jacinda at the helm next election will see a change.

Why ? What has she ever done Richie ? I don't think she has ever had a job....Lead the Country...??? Don't think so.....:rolleyes:

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25 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Why ? What has she ever done Richie ? I don't think she has ever had a job....Lead the Country...??? Don't think so.....:rolleyes:

Ohokaman you know that elections have nothing to do with credentials,all about public perception and personalitys.I can see that she has been on a big learning curve and with another few years under her belt think by natural progression the job will be hers if she wants it.

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37 minutes ago, richie said:

I hope you are right What a Post,but unfortunately i think we only got  little chance with Little as leader.

Personally I like Little although I do think the media do their best to push the line that he is unpopular. I know polls show that but the media like to manipulate peoples opinions. I judge him on whether he would do a good job and I think he will. Personally I am a nz first supporter.    Hesi you are right and that is one of the main points labour has said they will be pushing. I think the opposition parties have tapped into what people are thinking and it is almost as if national have completely lost reality with what nzers are thinking.

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3 minutes ago, hesi said:

Labour needs to stick to it's roots, and to make clear that it stands for the 'working man', excuse the sexist terminology, and by having trade unionist Little there, they are doing that.

A lot of hard working immigrants and hard working young couples are now voters.

Ahern still has a long way to go to prove herself as core Labour

Ardern...

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38 minutes ago, richie said:

Ohokaman you know that elections have nothing to do with credentials,all about public perception and personalitys.I can see that she has been on a big learning curve and with another few years under her belt think by natural progression the job will be hers if she wants it.

True. My perception would be she is all front and no substance, has never achieved anything, and would not have the fortitude to cope with the top job....and would be chewed up and spat out by some in the House.

Having said that, National need to reinvent themselves to stay there. Not sure English has the capacity to keep them there. He is no John Key and hard to see who is stepping up that will garner the same sort of following he had.

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the racing industry should be lobbying both national and labour $1 each way if you will to ensure they realise we are an influential large group . Jacinda may not have a strong background for PM but even if you don't agree with her she is pleasant to see on the TV cf, Little/English. ps a large company I worked for 25 years did the each way thing even large contributions to b oth parties.After each election the MD could alwaysget an appointment with PM.!!

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2 hours ago, hesi said:

Interesting thread

Just adding in, National could lose Auckland and therefore lose the election.

Lots of young couples, who cannot buy a house, not even close, because of skyrocketing prices under National's watch.

Not saying Labour has any answers, but could be a rebound against National

...... only if those young people bother voting!

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15 hours ago, what a post said:

With the 2017 election less than 5 months away,and with the likelihood of a change of government extremely high,is it not about time the racing industry leaders started to lobby the appropriate parties concerned so that they will be on a good footing when the change of government occurs.  Getting commitment over policies affecting racing and having the appropriate voice within government should be a priority,so is anyone doing anything about it.  There may be  tough times ahead if % rates rise as predicted in 2019/20,meaing the discretionary dollar will not be there to be spent on recreational pursuits like racing. Planning ahead and having support in the right places will be very important to the racing industry. The leaders of the racing industry have a responsibility, as does the leadership that represent those other groups within society. Lets hope they have a strategy.

Interesting that you say the likelihood of a change of government is extremely high when polls have been suggesting precisely the opposite (unfortunately, we no longer have iPredict to tell us what the market thinks).

But if, god forbid, you're right, then I'd suggest we need to be very careful what we wish for.  The socialists think racing is strictly for the rich, while the hippies don't think about it at all (apart from the odd occasion when they remember animal cruelty is supposed to be one of their policy platforms).  Expecting tax relief or similar from a government of these two is about as unrealistic as a sudden outbreak of peace in the middle east.  

The hope to cling on to, from a racing industry perspective, is that Winston ends up holding the balance of power. Of course, every other industry will be hoping like mad that's precisely what doesn't happen...  

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as far as the racing industry goes  what has the national party done to help it s prosperity. Very little in my view. As I said earlier,tougher times seem ahead for the average nz family,which will result in  reduced discretionary spending which will impact industries like racing . It makes sense for industry leaders to plan for those times and which is why allegiances with those in power will be important.  If polls are suggesting national will win then I believe they are way off the mark. G

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4 hours ago, what a post said:

as far as the racing industry goes  what has the national party done to help it s prosperity. Very little in my view. As I said earlier,tougher times seem ahead for the average nz family,which will result in  reduced discretionary spending which will impact industries like racing . It makes sense for industry leaders to plan for those times and which is why allegiances with those in power will be important.  If polls are suggesting national will win then I believe they are way off the mark. G

When did it become the government's responsibility to ensure the racing industry's prosperity?  Its role is simply to get out of the way as much as possible and let the industry determine its own prosperity.  If racing can't successfully do that, it should be allowed to die, just like any other industry.

You may be right about the polls, but they remain the best information we have.  Talking to one's fellow-travellers is a poor substitute.

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1 hour ago, Basil said:

When did it become the government's responsibility to ensure the racing industry's prosperity?  Its role is simply to get out of the way as much as possible and let the industry determine its own prosperity.  If racing can't successfully do that, it should be allowed to die, just like any other industry.

You may be right about the polls, but they remain the best information we have.  Talking to one's fellow-travellers is a poor substitute.

The reality is the government does take actions to help certain sectors prosper. Many ,many examples. They do so based on what influence they have within the power circles. For example last month the government announced a 1.37 million  grant for a local irrigation scheme.   This in an industry where extreme  on paper increases  in  wealth have occurred.. What about the hand outs to the america cup in the past. . You must know not every group or industry is treated the same.     I do think talking to ones fellow travelers as you put it,is as good a guide  as any to what their views on political parties are. . The message is very consistent.    As hesi has highlighted ,there are housing issues ,not just in Auckland  but nationwide,factor into that the 2 and a half % interest rate increase by late 2019 as predicted by the reserve bank(similarly being predicted overseas) and it is not hard to work out there will be tough times ahead for many. Best to plan for them now.

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On 4/26/2017 at 8:22 PM, Basil said:

When did it become the government's responsibility to ensure the racing industry's prosperity?  Its role is simply to get out of the way as much as possible and let the industry determine its own prosperity.  If racing can't successfully do that, it should be allowed to die, just like any other industry.

You may be right about the polls, but they remain the best information we have.  Talking to one's fellow-travellers is a poor substitute.

My $0.02.

The government has huge responsibility in my view by controlling the revenue source for the industry. The prohibition on other bookmakers operating in NZ means that the main/sole revenue generator for the whole industry - total wagering - is capped, or at least throttled. Everything is a product of wagering - stakes paid, returns to owners, cost/prices for horses and subsequently what trainers think they can charge and still get clients.

I should add that I don't think any of us would like racing if it was completely market driven and that additional bookies wouldn't increase returns to the industry but rather the opposite. 

As crass as it is to think, racing is no different to the arts - something a % of the society greatly values, something rich people pay a lot for and something that without the support of government would be the sole domain of the wealthy and eventually die due to lack of support.

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On 28/04/2017 at 9:14 AM, shakamaker said:

My $0.02.

The government has huge responsibility in my view by controlling the revenue source for the industry. The prohibition on other bookmakers operating in NZ means that the main/sole revenue generator for the whole industry - total wagering - is capped, or at least throttled. Everything is a product of wagering - stakes paid, returns to owners, cost/prices for horses and subsequently what trainers think they can charge and still get clients.

I should add that I don't think any of us would like racing if it was completely market driven and that additional bookies wouldn't increase returns to the industry but rather the opposite. 

As crass as it is to think, racing is no different to the arts - something a % of the society greatly values, something rich people pay a lot for and something that without the support of government would be the sole domain of the wealthy and eventually die due to lack of support.

The problem is that any industry which has to rely on government (i.e., taxpayer) funding is ultimately doomed, and racing would be no exception.

Eons ago the racing industry entered into a Faustian pact with the government: racing was given a (near-) monopoly on gambling in NZ while the government got to clip the ticket.  Like all monopolies, racing then became flabby and unresponsive to customer needs, so that when the government reneged on its side of the deal (as all governments do eventually), racing was revealed to be a very sick puppy indeed, and incapable of doing very much about it.  That's the problem here --- the state of our own house.  A bit of tax relief or some other kind of feeding at the taxpayer trough would make a few people in the racing industry a bit richer in the short term, but it'd do nothing to cure the underlying malaise --- that's structural.

In any event, there's no free lunch here.  Every dollar that's diverted to supporting racing is a dollar that's not available to spend on health, education, infrastructure etc.  Good luck with that as a political position.

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On ‎4‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 8:28 AM, what a post said:

Richie where I am from which has a well liked national mp there is definitely  a dissatisfaction with national. I speak to quite a few different people everyday and it seems to be a constant theme. I think picking national to lose is like tipping lazarus to win horse of the year. Eljay I think what you mention about the greens is relevant and one of the many  reasons why racing leaders should be seeking assurances/promises from lthe other coalition parties on certain subjects.

4 months closer to the election and have we read anything about parties racing policies. Does anyone actually care anyway. 

 

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18 hours ago, what a post said:

4 months closer to the election and have we read anything about parties racing policies. Does anyone actually care anyway. 

 

No they don't - Carter said it years ago - once you sort your internal house out we will get involved - still the same today - well almost has worsened big time 

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