Rowe cup re Valmange

[45yearsofharness 173]

How does Valmange get 3rd balloted after running second last year to Monbet and he won his last start.

The two ballots ahead are in another race so get a start either way.

 

[LongOwner 217]

ATC again - clearly they have pets.

Pet trainers and favoured owners get preference. Shocking to be on ballot but last ballot with 2 ahead is taking the p..s .

Can field selection be appealed or court injunction?

[richie 1,027]

Should be ahead of High Gait,Gee Up Neddy and probably Monnay and Great Things Happen.In fact as a placegetter last year should probably be exempt from the ballot.Ratings system used for some horses,form for others.

 

Valmagne 8 group placings,Quevert never started in a group race

[Trotting Fan 8]

It certainly looks like a case of some being favoured over others. Valmagne is in form ,ok I know only a lower class trot on the grass at Hawera, and should be in the field.

If I was the owner I would be appealing certainly to HRNZ although a fat lot of good that would probably do. Is there any wonder that owners are leaving the industry when they are treated like this.

 

[final luca 189]

maybe this is why owners and trainers give the game away.. been going on for years  both mayor codes..

I think valmagne is more than worthy of a start.. .. and if by some miracle gets a start will not be disgraced..

[Kotare_Hunter 748]

3 hours ago, richie said:

Should be ahead of High Gait,Gee Up Neddy and probably Monnay and Great Things Happen.In fact as a placegetter last year should probably be exempt from the ballot.Ratings system used for some horses,form for others.

 

Valmagne 8 group placings,Quevert never started in a group race

A year seems a long time for an exemption.

[45yearsofharness 173]

Let's hope he gets a start and does not disgrace.

[Kotare_Hunter 748]

2 hours ago, 45yearsofharness said:

Let's hope he gets a start and does not disgrace.

Both seem unlikely.

[dkc 181]

This is a total disgrace. $223,000 in stakes, 2nd in the race last year. 8 Group 1 placing. This rating system is becoming an absolute joke. They want us to start our horses week in and week out and this is what happens. 

 

[Kotare_Hunter 748]

16 hours ago, dkc said:

This is a total disgrace. $223,000 in stakes, 2nd in the race last year. 8 Group 1 placing. This rating system is becoming an absolute joke. They want us to start our horses week in and week out and this is what happens. 

 

The ratings have Valmange as the 16th highest rated horse in the field so I can't see the "absolute joke"

[richie 1,027]

2 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said:

The ratings have Valmange as the 16th highest rated horse in the field so I can't see the "absolute joke"

But the field not done on ratings otherwise Monnay would be in,it is almost discretionary.Most of Valmagne wins have been 2600m or better.One of the better stayers around and 2nd to Monbet in this race last year.No excuse for him not to be in field except personality clash.

[final luca 189]

I would have thought and excuse me if i'm wrong,

but clubs  try to  collect the best form horses for their mayor races,

for an example, would they place a horse in a nz cup that has had 10 starts for 10 duck eggs ,

when there is a horse that has won 3 of it's last 10 races?

common sense tells or suggest that they wouldn't but then we really don't know what is in the heads of some that

do the make up of some big races do we. But lets face it guys, this is not the first time either codes we have seen something that we feel should get a start,

stuck on the ballot, and most likely it won't be the last.  is it fair.. I say no, but then i'm not the one that has to sleep with the mistake.

 

[Kotare_Hunter 748]

1 minute ago, richie said:

But the field not done on ratings otherwise Monnay would be in,it is almost discretionary.Most of Valmagne wins have been 2600m or better.One of the better stayers around and 2nd to Monbet in this race last year.No excuse for him not to be in field except personality clash.

I am sure there are a few factors at work and not just ratings but its not a total disgrace and the ratings are not an absolute joke.

$223,000 in stakes, 2nd in the race last year. 8 Group 1 placings are very historical and no gaurantee of a start.

If you take this seasons performances into consideration is there a horse that has earnt less stake money per start ?

 

[45yearsofharness 173]

 

3 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said:

I am sure there are a few factors at work and not just ratings but its not a total disgrace and the ratings are not an absolute joke.

$223,000 in stakes, 2nd in the race last year. 8 Group 1 placings are very historical and no gaurantee of a start.

If you take this seasons performances into consideration is there a horse that has earnt less stake money per start ?

 

There is a horse that has not started this season, so the answer is yes.... And should that horse be in ahead of Valmange ?

[SMD is rife 211]

The bookies rate it next to no show. Surely the club want the horses that people will invest on in the field and I'd say they have got it pretty much right.

 

[Kotare_Hunter 748]

2 minutes ago, 45yearsofharness said:

 

There is a horse that has not started this season, so the answer is yes.... And should that horse be in ahead of Valmange ?

Are you sure ?

[45yearsofharness 173]

56 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said:

Are you sure ?

One over da moon!

[Kotare_Hunter 748]

I will check earnings when I get home but he raced at the Cup meeting and prior, including the DG Jones

[45yearsofharness 173]

6 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said:

I will check earnings when I get home but he raced at the Cup meeting and prior, including the DG Jones

My mistake, was looking from the top to the bottom, you are correct, had starts after 1st August. 

Will do my homework better in future. My appologies.

[shapiro 30]

obviously didnt make the field, but 2nd to monbet last time (watch it!!!), i feel sorry for the owners and trainers, no one is saying he was going to win {but i said that last time?) and wouldnt have been in my picks but 3rd ballot, quervert gets as start in r2, a trotter that has had the stake earnings he has, and his group placings he has had??

this is just wrong!  

good luck to you all! me an jonny legend

, 45 years, are keeping a cold one for yas!!