sekoons 2 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 rumour has it Geoff small leaving harness racing in may ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce J Hadley 15 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 Incorrect. He is certainly planning on making some changes, but he will still be training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 I'm sure he'd be missed in Palmerston North and down on the Kapiti Coast! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 missed everywhere great trainer but owners seem his problem - not the only one of course but hard to imagine with his record he cant attract some big spending clients- Slim Dusty 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackPoonDrinkGoon 93 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 2 hours ago, tim vince said: missed everywhere great trainer but owners seem his problem - not the only one of course but hard to imagine with his record he cant attract some big spending clients- He's been battling massively the last 5 or so years hasn't he? His horses are certainly missing something, sure makes ya wonder what some of his previous good horses were on, ala Tim Butt. Thejanitor and hsvman 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce J Hadley 15 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, BackPoonDrinkGoon said: He's been battling massively the last 5 or so years hasn't he? His horses are certainly missing something, sure makes ya wonder what some of his previous good horses were on, ala Tim Butt. Well that's an interesting "veiled" statement...However, misinformed it is. Around 5 years ago, Geoff made a conscious decision to stop buying yearlings at the sales. He was taking massive risks with HIS MONEY, and inevitably, would end up with pieces of all the horses. He didnt have big-spending owners going to the sales, and was taking all the risk himself. As a consequence of that, the quality of horses coming in the front gate certainly diminished, and as a result of that, he has obviously failed to produce any genuine Group performers. However, the training ability can never be denied. He has won almost every big race going in New Zealand, and if he ever managed to attract a big-spending owner into the barn, he would be more than capable of winning Group races again. aquaman 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 when u write that shit put your name to it- or be a flea- flea- trainers in harness have to put up with this shit week after week especially if you have a good run. u probably work in smith and caugheys in ladies underwear take some home and bet a buck each way- flea kilcoyne and Bruce J Hadley 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, tim vince said: when u write that shit put your name to it- or be a flea- flea- trainers in harness have to put up with this shit week after week especially if you have a good run. u probably work in smith and caugheys in ladies underwear take some home and bet a buck each way- flea Your letting emotion get in the way of the facts. Sure small is a top trainer, but when he was given a 2 year ban in nsw in 2009 when changeover lost a second group 1 race as a result of a positive,those handing down the 2 year ban described smalls record as "appalling,including 4 positives since 2007' . Google it if you've forgotten. hsvman, BackPoonDrinkGoon, WhoKnows and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 51 minutes ago, Bruce J Hadley said: Well that's an interesting "veiled" statement...However, misinformed it is. Around 5 years ago, Geoff made a conscious decision to stop buying yearlings at the sales. He was taking massive risks with HIS MONEY, and inevitably, would end up with pieces of all the horses. He didnt have big-spending owners going to the sales, and was taking all the risk himself. As a consequence of that, the quality of horses coming in the front gate certainly diminished, and as a result of that, he has obviously failed to produce any genuine Group performers. However, the training ability can never be denied. He has won almost every big race going in New Zealand, and if he ever managed to attract a big-spending owner into the barn, he would be more than capable of winning Group races again. bruce will he get those big spending trainers in aust Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce J Hadley 15 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, gary1 said: bruce will he get those big spending trainers in aust No idea. As far as I know, he isnt heading over the Tasman sea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce J Hadley 15 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, tim vince said: when u write that shit put your name to it- or be a flea- flea- trainers in harness have to put up with this shit week after week especially if you have a good run. u probably work in smith and caugheys in ladies underwear take some home and bet a buck each way- flea Love your work Timmy!!! hahaha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 One thing you can never take away from Small is his ability to "polarise the people". Everyone either loved him or hated him when he was a "group one trainer", and it's still the same now that he's a "Manawatu trainer". I've never met the guy, and have no particular leaning either way, but I'd have thought his tumble down the trainers board since that series of postitive swabs is pretty hard to brush off as sheer co-incidence .... even for the faithful WhoKnows, hedley, BackPoonDrinkGoon and 4 others 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoKnows 791 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 8 hours ago, JackSprat said: I've never met the guy, and have no particular leaning either way, but I'd have thought his tumble down the trainers board since that series of postitive swabs is pretty hard to brush off as sheer co-incidence .... even for the faithful Totally agree, you don't go from having the likes of Elsu, Changeover, Awesome Armbro, Copper Beach, TinTin In America etc......to a stable of Palmy and country horses just for no reason, I think we all know what that reason is! Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, WhoKnows said: Totally agree, you don't go from having the likes of Elsu, Changeover, Awesome Armbro, Copper Beach, TinTin In America etc......to a stable of Palmy and country horses just for no reason, I think we all know what that reason is! So what you are saying is that when those horses were racing, that the testing systems in place at that time was useless? Those horses had a lot of starts and performed at the highest level and yet nothing was picked up? Geoff may have run foul with officialdom frequently but his training record also shows that he was clearly a very good trainer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, Brodie said: So what you are saying is that when those horses were racing, that the testing systems in place at that time was useless? Those horses had a lot of starts and performed at the highest level and yet nothing was picked up? Geoff may have run foul with officialdom frequently but his training record also shows that he was clearly a very good trainer! Nothing was picked up? More like things were "picked up" in his horses more times than any other trainer in recent memory! richie 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackPoonDrinkGoon 93 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Brodie said: So what you are saying is that when those horses were racing, that the testing systems in place at that time was useless? Those horses had a lot of starts and performed at the highest level and yet nothing was picked up? Geoff may have run foul with officialdom frequently but his training record also shows that he was clearly a very good trainer! LOL! Yet you personally have thrown out a large amount of accusations about Purdon... Hypocrite much. gary1, Thejanitor and richie 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
final luca 189 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 took me a while to warm to Geoff small, syn I was in some years back raced in the swing , Geoff gave us our first win with her, broken promises and red cosmic sky walker... no champions but great pleasure.. if I had big money, he's the one I'd get to train for me.. him and that other guy Tim what's his name.. I'm warming to him as well Bruce J Hadley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, JackSprat said: Nothing was picked up? More like things were "picked up" in his horses more times than any other trainer in recent memory! Jack, are you saying that those horses that WhoKnows quoted returned positives??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 23, 2017 51 minutes ago, BackPoonDrinkGoon said: LOL! Yet you personally have thrown out a large amount of accusations about Purdon... Hypocrite much. No accusations thrown at anyone BPDH! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 On 3/22/2017 at 8:13 PM, tim vince said: when u write that shit put your name to it- or be a flea- flea- trainers in harness have to put up with this shit week after week especially if you have a good run. u probably work in smith and caugheys in ladies underwear take some home and bet a buck each way- flea Heres another one for you mr vince. Remember a horse called Another creation. Did you not have a share in that? Did it not start in a $200,000 race at Auckland one day against a couple of small runners. Have you forgotten what you thought of mr small and his tactics back then. Try googling that. Some of us do have memories. hsvman 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
final luca 189 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 some of us live in the past, what a post. if you guys were really consistent of all your anti drug within racing and harness etc, all these jockeys, drivers, trainers, owners that have been snatched, you would see the lot of them tossed out of the industry, short of lynched. there are a few at the top of the industry some of you have strong wraps on. they can do no wrong BUT we all know some of them have treaded were no man dares. yet some of you have forgiven them. then there are the ones you guys really HATE. Geoff small has long been one of those on racecafe.. we had a guy down Invercargill way that wouldn't allow a small trained runner to race there. never mind at that time he had some really good horse flesh running around. to me this haltered brings the industry into disrepute just as much as drugs within the industries.. what some here are doing is SELECTED DISGRIMINATION against a few trainers/drivers/owners etc and with others, she's right mate, shit happens, move on attitude. were would the harness industry be without the likes of dexter dunn? just as healthy or corrupt as it is now. while these horses were in Geoff smalls care, does not necessary mean he personally doped the horses as we know there are many things around a barn etc that they nibble on, even mike shaking (something you don't hear much of these days) has it's advantages. i'm not vet but have read this in I believe a trainer that ended up going to Australia because every time he farted the official's were sniffing his undies. .. enough is enough, move on and get over it . gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 14 hours ago, Brodie said: Jack, are you saying that those horses that WhoKnows quoted returned positives??? You catch on fast Brodie! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 23, 2017 Did Elsu return positives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantab matt 134 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 15 hours ago, Brodie said: Jack, are you saying that those horses that WhoKnows quoted returned positives??? Well Changeover did, lost two group one races. 1 in aussie and 1 in NZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 4 hours ago, final luca said: some of us live in the past, what a post. if you guys were really consistent of all your anti drug within racing and harness etc, all these jockeys, drivers, trainers, owners that have been snatched, you would see the lot of them tossed out of the industry, short of lynched. there are a few at the top of the industry some of you have strong wraps on. they can do no wrong BUT we all know some of them have treaded were no man dares. yet some of you have forgiven them. then there are the ones you guys really HATE. Geoff small has long been one of those on racecafe.. we had a guy down Invercargill way that wouldn't allow a small trained runner to race there. never mind at that time he had some really good horse flesh running around. to me this haltered brings the industry into disrepute just as much as drugs within the industries.. what some here are doing is SELECTED DISGRIMINATION against a few trainers/drivers/owners etc and with others, she's right mate, shit happens, move on attitude. were would the harness industry be without the likes of dexter dunn? just as healthy or corrupt as it is now. while these horses were in Geoff smalls care, does not necessary mean he personally doped the horses as we know there are many things around a barn etc that they nibble on, even mike shaking (something you don't hear much of these days) has it's advantages. i'm not vet but have read this in I believe a trainer that ended up going to Australia because every time he farted the official's were sniffing his undies. .. enough is enough, move on and get over it . Sorry but your talking rubbish. I hate no one I'm consistent in my message. Obviously your not. You think it ok to defend Geoff small because you've had an association with him while you condemn others of the same thing. That's double standards . You need to get over the need to rewrite history. As to my replies to mr vince I was simply highlighting his views are not backed up by facts. When the Australians handed down the 2 year ban to mr small and described his record as appalling ,it was because they thought it was appalling. Mr small was guilty of the most blatant piece of team driving I have ever seen in that $200,000 race at Auckland a few years ago. Do you know who was quoted in the papers as demanding something be done about it. It was Mr tim vince. His comments about people being fleas I thought funny given history. As Dr phil always says, the best way to predict future behavior is past behavior. Personally I have nothing against Geoff small,good luck to him in the future,but don't tell me his past actions were appropriate. john legend, Thejanitor, gary1 and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...