2Piper 404 Report post Posted March 31, 2017 On 3/30/2017 at 6:04 PM, tim vince said: saw pictures of him arriving safely- should do a huge job on lasix i saw it too - on facebook noteably the new owners have been chasing to buy him for a couple of years. Also they are into buying NZ breds . They have bought older horses in the past but looking to buy untried young ones now too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thejanitor 1,206 Report post Posted April 1, 2017 4 hours ago, 2Piper said: i saw it too - on facebook noteably the new owners have been chasing to buy him for a couple of years. Also they are into buying NZ breds . They have bought older horses in the past but looking to buy untried young ones now too. The horse will be well looked after and trained, Delaware trainer Jim King is one of the best and his step-daughter Heather Vitale is one of the most passionate supporters of harness racing around. Pity we do not have someone like her in NZ. globederby12 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmccook1 2,359 Report post Posted May 2, 2017 Horse stepped out in qualifier and went 1.53.4 under a hold with Tim T on board globederby12 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,085 Report post Posted May 3, 2017 He can do that any day of the week but at his age can he knock 4 seconds off that- because he's going to need to if he's to make the big time over there against some pretty heavy artillery. Is he likely to run up against Sky Major? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjswildcard 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2017 Apart from Tim most of those posts have missed the point he was bleeding , hes going to a super trainer he will be well cared for . what New Zealand racing should do is get with the times and introduce lasix into racing here , people talk about horses wellbeing and care yet allow them to suffer the pain of bleeding then criticise them for poor performance. New Zealand racing officialdom is full of decaying old dinosaurs in the way of change , all the critics here should direct their disapproval in their direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Rjswildcard said: Apart from Tim most of those posts have missed the point he was bleeding , hes going to a super trainer he will be well cared for . what New Zealand racing should do is get with the times and introduce lasix into racing here , people talk about horses wellbeing and care yet allow them to suffer the pain of bleeding then criticise them for poor performance. New Zealand racing officialdom is full of decaying old dinosaurs in the way of change , all the critics here should direct their disapproval in their direction. Sorry, but you have missed the point! Lasix is currently banned in NZ. The previous owners sold (yes their horse) Christen Me overseas because it was now a bleeder and wasn't allowed to race in NZ. Instead of giving a dignified retirement to a horse that had been an extremely good horse and had won $2.5m they wanted more money from him. He was a gelding so no further value to them. The new owner will be wanting results from Christen Me and I am sure the trainer is a super trainer. The reality is that once Christen Me has passed his used by date, he will not get the good retirement that he fully deserves!!!!!! As for legalising Lasix, that is another storey along with other drugs that are probably being used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varro 244 Report post Posted May 3, 2017 8 hours ago, Brodie said: The reality is that once Christen Me has passed his used by date, he will not get the good retirement that he fully deserves!!!!!! you do not know what kind of retirement he will get. You are assuming the new owners will leave him to rot somewere? You can not be certain of this at all Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2017 54 minutes ago, Varro said: you do not know what kind of retirement he will get. You are assuming the new owners will leave him to rot somewere? You can not be certain of this at all The new owner was not the one that Christen Me won $2.5 m for. I am sure the new owner has raced a lot of horses. Do you really beleive that he is prepared to pay for every horse he is owned in retirement? Everyone will have an opinion andcthe previous owners right to do what they wanted with Christen Me. However, personal opinion is that Christen Me more than deserved a great retirement in NZ rather than having a very uncertain future in the U.S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varro 244 Report post Posted May 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Brodie said: The new owner was not the one that Christen Me won $2.5 m for. I am sure the new owner has raced a lot of horses. Do you really beleive that he is prepared to pay for every horse he is owned in retirement? Everyone will have an opinion andcthe previous owners right to do what they wanted with Christen Me. However, personal opinion is that Christen Me more than deserved a great retirement in NZ rather than having a very uncertain future in the U.S. i agree with the sentiment here, im just stating that you can not be certain he will get treated poorly in retirement, this is just in response to your claim that "he will not get the retirement he deserves" harewood 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 404 Report post Posted December 9, 2017 On 24/03/2017 at 8:26 AM, Brodie said: So why wasn't Christen Me sent over when he was racing well? On the face of it , he was only sold because he is not able to race in NZ any longer and the owners were able to grab some more cash from a horse that has tried his heart out over a long time. Personally, don't think it helps our industry at all, it taints it! Just found out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 404 Report post Posted December 9, 2017 Won on Friday night , took personal best 1:49.2 beating regular top ones in Mel Mara and Soto. Jury was out with the best interest of the horse on this site. Stop the case maybe? Thejanitor and Iraklis 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraklis 2,203 Report post Posted December 9, 2017 Yes he did, bloody good for him too! we got alot of Kiwibreds over there at mo who are kickin ass an takin names, On The Rantan, and Bit Of A Legend just few...... Cheers Iraklis Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 1,495 Report post Posted December 9, 2017 3 hours ago, 2Piper said: Won on Friday night , took personal best 1:49.2 beating regular top ones in Mel Mara and Soto. Jury was out with the best interest of the horse on this site. Stop the case maybe? Where does one find the race replay if that's possible.?. I was as a fan of Christen Me and glad to see him showing his best in the States. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted December 9, 2017 Go to https://www.doverdowns.com/horse-racing/live-video Then click on REPLAYS >>> Dec 7th >>> Race 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B 41 Report post Posted December 9, 2017 On 3/18/2017 at 10:27 AM, john legend said: Hi everyone, this topic makes me sad and angry. lets not jazz this up .This a disgrace to the Industry. There are 2.47 million reasons why a good retirement was due an outstanding icon. A few extra dollars to race in the USA lets down all of us. I think he should have been able to retire with dignity and not be subject to the worn out excuse (he loves racing and would hate just being in a paddock !111)I am sure The trainer could have found a spot for him and he could even put in guest appearances at various Clubs etc. .The 2 owners bare full responsibility That's right this is a classic example of where the horse is treated as a commodity. The owners aren't really interested in the horse rather than what they can get out of it. Indeed a sorry situation which I see as not uncommon in the industry. Surely when a horse does a great a job for it's owners it is entitled to a decent retirement. I agree this is a disgrace. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 1,495 Report post Posted December 10, 2017 9 hours ago, JackSprat said: Go to https://www.doverdowns.com/horse-racing/live-video Then click on REPLAYS >>> Dec 7th >>> Race 10 Thanks Jack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 We all know Christen Me would win in USA. that proves nothing what does matter abrilliant horse nearing retirement is as Flagship says is pumped full of Furosemide to negate stress and chronic pain which leads to bleeding in the lungs. and enables the purchasers to get a few more dollars from him. Shame on the nz owners who callously sold him after making them a fortune.. This medication is necessary for every race and is listed beside christen me every time he lines up! cantab matt and hedley 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B 41 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, john legend said: We all know Christen Me would win in USA. that proves nothing what does matter abrilliant horse nearing retirement is as Flagship says is pumped full of Furosemide to negate stress and chronic pain which leads to bleeding in the lungs. and enables the purchasers to get a few more dollars from him. Shame on the nz owners who callously sold him after making them a fortune.. This medication is necessary for every race and is listed beside christen me every time he lines up! This indicates they are only interested in money and not the welfare and best interests of the horse. Fully agree shame on the owners! hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 John legend are u a ve t.re bleeding it' not what the vets I talk to say is the cause. A subject I've tried to study as it' happened to horses I've trained.enlighten me.given 80 percent of horses bleed we would have to retire a lot of horses if you had your WAY? Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 Hi Tim , I have studied lasix/salix/furosemide on the net as best I can and most experts come to the conclusion that whilst stress plays a big part there are ma ny reasons including chronic pain. 1 that I can quote is Dr Brian Stewart, head of equine welfare racing victoria "it is in my opinion that horsesre overstressedor in chronic pain are more likely to suffer EIPH (exercise induced Pulmonary haemouraging) This was in a case against Chris Waller where he was fined $30000. In the Usa they consider this condition of minor inconvenience (which most other countries disagree) There seems to be an idea that lasix in USA be given to all racing horses and some fields all horses have it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 735 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 To add a little more from Google it appears that Usa trainers discovered horses improved their times when lasix was approved in some instances. So naturally they used it whether blood had appeared in nostrils or not.However further analysis indicated that lasix made a horse urinate to a large degree before a race and it may be that which improved performance (less weight to carry). I know in Nz /Australia/USA when anything new is added to horses feed or gear or indeed medicines. If successful and approved then virtually every trainer likes to try it. eg removable deafeners/nasal strips/ and eventually noone is gaining or losing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 404 Report post Posted December 14, 2017 On 13/12/2017 at 11:50 AM, john legend said: We all know Christen Me would win in USA. that proves nothing what does matter abrilliant horse nearing retirement is as Flagship says is pumped full of Furosemide to negate stress and chronic pain which leads to bleeding in the lungs. and enables the purchasers to get a few more dollars from him. Shame on the nz owners who callously sold him after making them a fortune.. This medication is necessary for every race and is listed beside christen me every time he lines up! 13 out of 100 starters at Yonkers tomorrow dont use lasix. Seems to be more the norm in the US to use it. Please explain why it is bad ? Ps . Retiremement age is 65 but I can say I would be most likely be on some sort of medication before then . However I would still be expected to work and not be a " dole bludger". Lifes not fair at times. globederby12 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 404 Report post Posted December 17, 2017 Great to see him win at the Meadowlands last night (today NZ time ). Went 1:50.0. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted December 17, 2017 Lasix no doubt increase longevity of horses -in association with vets they can be useful. as long as things are done properly its like anything- bad use bad results. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...