Tim Vince - You are on fire!

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Tim Vince deserves huge accolades for his training feats in recent times.

His winning percentages recently are rivalling if not bettering the Allstars and this is being done with less than average horses that are other people's cast offs effectively.

Tim, imagine how good you would be if you decided to change tact and buy younger horses with potential rather than horses past their best.

You are clearly doing something right to be getting wins with the horses that you are getting.

The noticeable thing is though that they all seem to be ex South Islanders, so it clearly shows that South Island horses and racing performance is far stronger than the North Island?

Romanite which has shown a wee bit of ability over the past couple of years won first up in Tims colours tonight, and yes,it,was an amateur race but it still performed admirably.

Tims win rate for the season at the moment is about a win every four starts and a UDR of over .38.

His win rate over the past month or so is about 1.00

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3 hours ago, Brodie said:

Tim Vince deserves huge accolades for his training feats in recent times.

His winning percentages recently are rivalling if not bettering the Allstars and this is being done with less than average horses that are other people's cast offs effectively.

Tim, imagine how good you would be if you decided to change tact and buy younger horses with potential rather than horses past their best.

You are clearly doing something right to be getting wins with the horses that you are getting.

The noticeable thing is though that they all seem to be ex South Islanders, so it clearly shows that South Island horses and racing performance is far stronger than the North Island?

Romanite which has shown a wee bit of ability over the past couple of years won first up in Tims colours tonight, and yes,it,was an amateur race but it still performed admirably.

Tims win rate for the season at the moment is about a win every four starts and a UDR of over .38.

His win rate over the past month or so is about 1.00

It does not necessarily clearly show that South Island horses and racing performance is far stronger than the North. It more likely shows that he has found a way to identify and lift said horses.

[Shad 1,554]

Good to see someone giving these horses another chance and having success, we all know where some of them that can't be re homed end up, good on him, must be very satisfying for him and his owners.

[Wannabearacecafer 44]

Great guy who has supported the game for years by owning horses. Great to see him now having a crack and having success. Well deserved and couldn't happen to a better guy. 

[shapiro 30]

we all say at times put your money where your mouth is, hes owned,trained and driven at his own expense, one of the truly good guys in hrnz!

[2Piper 408]

interesting enough is the fact that Drover's Eyre , Shards Phoenix and Chal Shocked are all assessed at c4 but ratings are 60 , 65 and 74 respectfully. Total wins each, 5 , 5 and 6.

Chal Shocked has won 4 this season and has done quite well against some very good horses recently so Tim has done well to say the least. But what chance do the other two have with the same assessment ?

[tim vince 985]

chal shock gotta go  cant compete at his rating . shards phoenix trekking horse couldn't compete at rating . not complaining its just the way it is

 

.u have to look at races we winning all 8k and under- except monnay- no one makes us do it- so not complaining but  believe we can do better with rating system. only buy a horse if it has low rating so I can run in poor races. wont pay much cos to hard to get out of them- I usually finish up giving them away as hacks.

 

i can assure you despite winning about 80k   so  well behind the eightball financially- old horses like old people need more doctors care and prescriptions.i like it   (mostly) but it is very hard so I have nothing but admiration for the battlers in the game who aren't as lucky as me.

 

perhaps the suits  could do a week at a stable and realise it aint easy- might  mean they respect the participants a tad more.not many trainers make a 100k but plenty of racings hierarchy do.

 

the phone calls  at 6 in the morning calling me a farking cheat I could probably do without- most of  the rest of it is okay  hahahahaha.

 

 

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2 hours ago, tim vince said:

chal shock gotta go  cant compete at his rating . shards phoenix trekking horse couldn't compete at rating . not complaining its just the way it is

 

.u have to look at races we winning all 8k and under- except monnay- no one makes us do it- so not complaining but  believe we can do better with rating system. only buy a horse if it has low rating so I can run in poor races. wont pay much cos to hard to get out of them- I usually finish up giving them away as hacks.

 

i can assure you despite winning about 80k   so  well behind the eightball financially- old horses like old people need more doctors care and prescriptions.i like it   (mostly) but it is very hard so I have nothing but admiration for the battlers in the game who aren't as lucky as me.

 

perhaps the suits  could do a week at a stable and realise it aint easy- might  mean they respect the participants a tad more.not many trainers make a 100k but plenty of racings hierarchy do.

 

the phone calls  at 6 in the morning calling me a farking cheat I could probably do without- most of  the rest of it is okay  hahahahaha.

 

 

Tim, I think there is more to it than luck with your training.

You clearly are an enthusiast who puts in plenty of time and effort into cadtoffs from other stables.

Clearly if you aren't making a profit at the moment then there must be a helluva lot battling!

Keep up the winning efforts it is great to see!

 

[tim vince 985]

I hear u are limited by tab  whats that about- aren't u allowed to win- they must just want dopes- just heard that at the sales yesterday- surely not.  because all  my own -no money in it- example vet out yesterday emergency no change 500 . its the way it is- 3rd in 8k race might just cover it.

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1 hour ago, tim vince said:

I hear u are limited by tab  whats that about- aren't u allowed to win- they must just want dopes- just heard that at the sales yesterday- surely not.  because all  my own -no money in it- example vet out yesterday emergency no change 500 . its the way it is- 3rd in 8k race might just cover it.

Yes Tim, TAB don't want punters that win, there are several in NZ that are restricted down to be able net as little as $500 per bet.

Tried  2 overseas betting agencies as well and restricted to the same over in OZ now.

Not a fair playing ground when it comes to punting.

[tim vince 985]

what a joke like the casinos- I sort of out of the loop these days with betting- I cant believe anyone restricted to 500-

 

surely there is enough on multis etc to balance the book

. competition the only answer- I know its a business but it can only harm the tab.

they need to play the long game.anyway if u ever up in the big smoke look me up.

not allowed to succeed  just be a mug should be tabs catch cry- I remember  the  u know the odds no beat them.obviously not.

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19 minutes ago, tim vince said:

what a joke like the casinos- I sort of out of the loop these days with betting- I cant believe anyone restricted to 500-

 

surely there is enough on multis etc to balance the book

. competition the only answer- I know its a business but it can only harm the tab.

they need to play the long game.anyway if u ever up in the big smoke look me up.

not allowed to succeed  just be a mug should be tabs catch cry- I remember  the  u know the odds no beat them.obviously not.

Tim, I don't think it a joke or very funny!

It is just bad policy and unfair from the TAB and yes it will have bad consequences for the industry going forward.

It is the Bookies that restrict the winning punters.

Yes they removed the slogan about "you know the odds now beat them" as it wasn't appropriate any longer, it is now " are you in" but that is only if they allow you to be in.

Not sure competition in a NZ would make much difference as the overseas agencies seem to be the same.

[cantab matt 134]

Geez you go on Brodie, no wonder so few people post on racecafe now. You basically hijack every thread and turn it round to the same topic.

You have been given numerous ways of getting more $$$ on but seem happy to ignore the suggestions and instead prefer to just moan about your supposed plight.

Most of the horses you back ( well the ones you have told me about) pay more on the tote than what you get them at on fixed odds. Cant see why you just don't bet on the tote

 

 

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13 hours ago, tim vince said:

chal shock gotta go  cant compete at his rating . shards phoenix trekking horse couldn't compete at rating . not complaining its just the way it is

 

.u have to look at races we winning all 8k and under- except monnay- no one makes us do it- so not complaining but  believe we can do better with rating system. only buy a horse if it has low rating so I can run in poor races. wont pay much cos to hard to get out of them- I usually finish up giving them away as hacks.

 

i can assure you despite winning about 80k   so  well behind the eightball financially- old horses like old people need more doctors care and prescriptions.i like it   (mostly) but it is very hard so I have nothing but admiration for the battlers in the game who aren't as lucky as me.

 

perhaps the suits  could do a week at a stable and realise it aint easy- might  mean they respect the participants a tad more.not many trainers make a 100k but plenty of racings hierarchy do.

 

the phone calls  at 6 in the morning calling me a farking cheat I could probably do without- most of  the rest of it is okay  hahahahaha.

 

 

So what's the biggest issue for trainers trying to turn a profit? Vet bills? Transport costs? Feed?

Have these things increased too much over the last 10 years and prize money not increased at the same rate? Seems they are trying to put more money into stakes every year.

I'd like to hear your take on it because I hear a lot of trainers mention its hard to make any money in the industry anymore but what has changed so much for that to be the case

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2 hours ago, cantab matt said:

Geez you go on Brodie, no wonder so few people post on racecafe now. You basically hijack every thread and turn it round to the same topic.

You have been given numerous ways of getting more $$$ on but seem happy to ignore the suggestions and instead prefer to just moan about your supposed plight.

Most of the horses you back ( well the ones you have told me about) pay more on the tote than what you get them at on fixed odds. Cant see why you just don't bet on the tote

 

 

Cantab Matt.

Didnt hijack anything here, as I didn't bring up the topic at all.

Yes well aware that  I do go on as what is going on is not right, and anyone that is affected by it feel the same way.

There are not numerous ways of getting around it all, and why should genuine punters that are not cheating or doing anything wrong have to try and get around things??????

Not sure why you think that the ones I back pay more on the tote and also with the amount I want to  put on would kill any tote div!!!!

I beleive in fair play Cantab Matt and certain punters do not get this, end of storey!

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3 hours ago, cantab matt said:

Geez you go on Brodie, no wonder so few people post on racecafe now. You basically hijack every thread and turn it round to the same topic.

You have been given numerous ways of getting more $$$ on but seem happy to ignore the suggestions and instead prefer to just moan about your supposed plight.

Most of the horses you back ( well the ones you have told me about) pay more on the tote than what you get them at on fixed odds. Cant see why you just don't bet on the tote

 

 

Responded to a question asked by an astute trainer Cantab Matt!

Think you are exaggerating when you say I hijack every thread, which is Rubbish, and I only mention it on behalf of all restricted punters when a question is asked or prompted, otherwise I haven't mentioned it for a long time!!!!!

Do you not believe in standing up for injustices?

As for few people not posting on Race Cafe, the site is very popular reading and I believe there are far more topics and postings than there used to be by far!

[tim vince 985]

vets are big-and feed I guess - its rare I don't pay 400 per week in vets over a month-bits and pieces all add up- use ulcer stuff a lot and if u include my osteopath at 80 pre race per horse. don't have to have some of the things- that is my choice to get best results.im lucky I can afford it- I pay a girl for mornings and gets good money but she deserves it.

[tim vince 985]

 my mate was  in the griffin book and got beat up in vegas many years ago- there were stories some disappeared in the desert- watch yourself brodie- lots of mountains down your way- be hard to find u/.

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36 minutes ago, tim vince said:

 my mate was  in the griffin book and got beat up in vegas many years ago- there were stories some disappeared in the desert- watch yourself brodie- lots of mountains down your way- be hard to find u/.

Thanks for the advice Tim.

At least I will be able to leave the family in good financial situation.

 

 

[cantab matt 134]

1 hour ago, tim vince said:

 my mate was  in the griffin book and got beat up in vegas many years ago- there were stories some disappeared in the desert- watch yourself brodie- lots of mountains down your way- be hard to find u/.

Plenty of deep lakes too... 

see you got check book out today Tim- good on you. Did increase in ATC stakes announcement help with decision to buy?

[tim vince 985]

not at all-but ihope it happens of course but august 2018 long way away. what u think of sale I wasn't sure- as usual top lots big- middle fair I think . breeding a tough game for sure many couldn't have covered costs.

[cantab matt 134]

only looking on from afar, my observation - nobody wanted the Auckland Reactors, a few of Bettors seemed affordable and a couple of the top lots must have sold on type as the pedigree wasn't staggeringly good.

Covered costs?......not something that you usually associate has a happening thing in harness racing......

[Fartoomuch 1,376]

IMHO the Auckland sale results were poor. 72% clearance and average down 11%.

[tim vince 985]

I watched a few from cch bought one for 25 that one of the best judges inspected for me and said 40 plus- was it carnage  overall? if breeders did bad it probably means wont breed again. 30 percent of yesterdays lots went to Australia- not good for horse numbers in the next 2 or 3 years- hard going for everyone.

[2Piper 408]

There were quite a few that were passed in over the 30k Mark. Some breeders didn't want to sell a horse from a good family cheap (in their eyes). 

Did note that even some Bettor Delights  went less than this season's stud fee. 

Overall think it was not a good sale. I went home early as being a breeder myself it wasn't encouraging. 

I think it underlies some problems.  People go to the sales to get their next 2yo  or 3yo as they need a quicker return on their money than it used to be. With  virtually about a half dozen 2yo races run prior to the sales, last years buyers didn't have a return on their money and therefore little money to re-purchase.  Less bidders, less competition. 

Also the Aussie are now buying  at their sales and the extra duty with exporting does not encourage buyers from overseas. That's Aussie protecting their own product.