C W Johnson

[rumpole 483]

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The Appeal by the RIU will now be heard on 19 January

 

[sheldon 89]

What is the appeal over please , I'm a bit out of touch 

[We're Doomed 4,855]

Yes, please expain

[rumpole 483]

he was charged with improper riding on 16 December at Ashburton

There was a contested hearing at Wingatui on Boxing Day.The  JCA amended the charge to careless riding and CWJ pleaded guilty and

received a 6 day suspension  The Chief Stipe appealed even though the stipe on the day Mark Davidson did not object to the amendment

of the charge..

[We're Doomed 4,855]

Geez, sounds as bad as the Aussies banning McCullum for a game

[billy connolly 63]

35 minutes ago, rumpole said:

he was charged with improper riding on 16 December at Ashburton

So what was the imbecile who doesn't know the difference between 800 metres and 2000 metres (re Hokitika) charged with?

Can you put up a link to Johnson's misdemeanour please?

[Leggy 4,076]

8 minutes ago, billy connolly said:

So what was the imbecile who doesn't know the difference between 800 metres and 2000 metres (re Hokitika) charged with?

Can you put up a link to Johnson's misdemeanour please?

This is from the Boxing Day Otago Stipes report. No further JCA report of the decision has been released.

SUPPLEMENTARY: (All adjourned inquiries and follow up information relating to previous meetings)
Ashburton Racing Club 16th December 2016 – Insurance 4U Maiden 1400m
An adjourned defended hearing alleging rider C Johnson (PIPPI REA) had ridden improperly under Rule 638 (1)(c) by directing his mount inwards causing severe crowding to RADIANT (R Fridhaus) at the 200 metres was reconvened. After hearing evidence from all parties the JCA downgraded the charge to one of careless riding which rider C Johnson admitted. After hearing submissions from all parties the JCA imposed a suspension from 2nd January 2017 to 14th January 2017 (6 days).

[Leggy 4,076]

43 minutes ago, rumpole said:

he was charged with improper riding on 16 December at Ashburton

There was a contested hearing at Wingatui on Boxing Day.The  JCA amended the charge to careless riding and CWJ pleaded guilty and

received a 6 day suspension  The Chief Stipe appealed even though the stipe on the day Mark Davidson did not object to the amendment

of the charge..

So what grounds would an appeal be based on?

[jasonmccook1 2,359]

14 minutes ago, billy connolly said:

So what was the imbecile who doesn't know the difference between 800 metres and 2000 metres (re Hokitika) charged with?

Can you put up a link to Johnson's misdemeanour please?

5 weeks holiday for that lad

[Midget 4,489]

If a jockey or connections cannot appeal a raceday decision how can it be that the RIU can Rumpers ??

[Leggy 4,076]

51 minutes ago, Midget said:

If a jockey or connections cannot appeal a raceday decision how can it be that the RIU can Rumpers ??

They both can, with some exceptions not applicable here, in my understanding of the rules. Neither can appeal a decision under 642 with respect to alteration of placings due to interference. Otherwise,

(3) Subject to sub-Rule (1) hereof:
(a) Where on the determination of an information by the Judicial Committee, the Judicial Committee in its decision:
(i) finds, or does not find, a breach of these Rules proved;
(ii) makes an order or declines to make an order; or
(iii) imposes any penalty or declines to impose any penalty,
the informant or the defendant may appeal to the Appeals Tribunal against the decision, finding, order or penalty of the Judicial Committee.
(b) The appeal may be against:
(i) the findings of the Judicial Committee;
(ii) if applicable, the order for or the penalty ordered, or both; and/or
(iii) if applicable, the order or the amount of the costs ordered to be paid, or both.
(c) An appeal against a finding shall not be lodged until the Judicial Committee’s decision in respect of penalty has been given.

[Eastwood Jaunty 148]

http://www.racingreplays.co.nz/media/201612/20161216ASHB01_BB.mp4

The incident occurs at the 200m mark.

[We're Doomed 4,855]

Thanks for that Jaunty. Interesting. Looks like he realised that horse inside him was going well, which it was because it won the race easily, and he tried to hold it in the pocket. Probably the sort of thing other jockeys try to do all the time.

The original suspension seemed pretty fair for what it was, a misjudgement really, any further vindictive action would seem rather petty.

[puha 2,177]

Be interesting as he seems to raise his elbow and only drops it once the winner finally breaks free.

[Midget 4,489]

Bloody hell, that's nothing other than legit competitive obstruction.

He rides with his wings exposed anyway and he has every right to make the passage for the horse behind as difficult as possible provided he didn't change his line when not a length clear, or commit a foul act like hitting the other horse across the head or grabbing the other jockey.

It's not twiddly winks out there, and if that's foul riding what should we call it when in EVERY race jockeys barge their way off the fence turning for home ? What's the diff ? Barging another horse off their line is far more obstructive but it goes unnoticed in EVERY race..

Next thing they'll be saying he can't slap his whip down their necks ( as he does ) because the right angled movement of the whip could impede or intimidate a runner inside him.

Spare me, this is taking the application and interpretation of the rules too far IMO, and what's more, this is exactly why we need D M Walsh on the RIU.

[Turny 1,224]

Just bloody ridiculous - just watch any Australian meeting today - it is simply competitive riding - what a bloody joke this RIU oufit is - they should start dealing with the real stuff - this is nonsense

[N1MUE 1,877]

Wasn't it more than just the fact that he had his wings exposed?  The horse was drifting right and then he steered it hard left (several horse widths) into the other horse.  Looked like it might have been a bit more cynical than just competitive riding.

But hey I'm never ridden in a race so I'll leave it to those who were on course and who have heard all the evidence.

[billy connolly 63]

45 minutes ago, Midget said:

Bloody hell, that's nothing other than legit competitive obstruction.

Yes, definitely not improper riding, it's (at worst) a mild careless riding infringement.

The head-on view clearly shows Johnson's mount has only shifted in one horse width, with the intent of trying to hold winner in pocket.

IMO after the initial (one horse width) movement of Johnson's mount, the rider of winner has barged his way into clear causing as much (if not more) interference than Johnson's mount.
 

[N1MUE 1,877]

8 minutes ago, billy connolly said:

The head-on view clearly shows Johnson's mount has only shifted in one horse width, with the intent of trying to hold winner in pocket.

That must be one wide horse!

Surely you can't change your line to hold a horse in a pocket?  You can maintain your line but surely deliberately moving inward to block another horse's path can't be allowed?

[mr dickson cider 104]

A couple of years ago Bosson did a similar thing on Tomorrowland to Querer at Otaki and the stipes called it competitive riding in the room. Head stipe Oatham has got it in for CWJ thats pretty clear.

[We're Doomed 4,855]

1 minute ago, N1MUE said:

That must be one wide horse!

Surely you can't change your line to hold a horse in a pocket?  You can maintain your line but surely deliberately moving inward to block another horse's path can't be allowed?

Which is probably why he got suspended and why he pleaded guilty

[Midget 4,489]

1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:

Which is probably why he got suspended and why he pleaded guilty

Of course it's allowed, if you're a clear lengthy ahead of any runner behind you can change your line..

He didn't take the other horses line did he ?

Reverse the situation and watch how many barge out on the turn when they're not clear, and it's always ignored.

What's the difference ?

[Scallywag 7]

think it time they moved on .HOW MANY TIMES CAN U HANG A MAN ?HE HAS DONE HIS TIME .1ST THINGS 1ST STIPES MAKE  SURE WE ALL KNOW HOW MANY LAPS AYE .SHOULDNT FRIDHAUS HORSE BIN A LATE SCRATCHING ? OWNERS PAY A RIDING FEE ? FOR THAT ? and wasn't there a stipe a while ago up on a RIDING CHARGE .CAN WE RE OPEN THAT CASE ? NOT SURE IF WAS CARELESS IMPOPER OR COMPETITIVE .

[Turny 1,224]

Agree Scallywag.

Something not adding up here. Charged, reviewed, charge reduced, pleads guilty, evidence heard and 6 days suspension.

Then we revisit and recharge - now we have a full new hearing.

Must be more to it than this - CWJ accepted lesser charge and pleads guilty - all over - or should be

But the RIU have a further crack at him, please tell me we are not revisiting the dark Cameron days when Johnson was hounded 24/7

Do not like what is going on here - can anyone join the dots for me ...... this smells, badly ..... 

 

 

[Scallywag 7]

4 hours ago, Scallywag said:

think it time they moved on .HOW MANY TIMES CAN U HANG A MAN ?HE HAS DONE HIS TIME .1ST THINGS 1ST STIPES MAKE  SURE WE ALL KNOW HOW MANY LAPS AYE .SHOULDNT FRIDHAUS HORSE BIN A LATE SCRATCHING ? OWNERS PAY A RIDING FEE ? FOR THAT ? and wasn't there a stipe a while ago up on a RIDING CHARGE .CAN WE RE OPEN THAT CASE ? NOT SURE IF WAS CARELESS IMPOPER OR COMPETITIVE .

 

20 minutes ago, turny said:

Agree Scallywag.

Something not adding up here. Charged, reviewed, charge reduced, pleads guilty, evidence heard and 6 days suspension.

Then we revisit and recharge - now we have a full new hearing.

Must be more to it than this - CWJ accepted lesser charge and pleads guilty - all over - or should be

But the RIU have a further crack at him, please tell me we are not revisiting the dark Cameron days when Johnson was hounded 24/7

Do not like what is going on here - can anyone join the dots for me ...... this smells, badly ..... 

 

 

the hearing in wellington and what chris pay for another flight .makin fools of themselves the RIU .FINES far better then time out .racing needs our best ones