racetrackringo 27 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 any thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBigStuff 398 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Kane Smith I say...can ride but gets very limited opportunities. He may not be the most underrated but did just spring to the top of my mind. gubellini, hedley, La Zip and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,867 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 It has to be CWJ. I really don't think some people realise how good that man is. THE TORCH, hedley, Aaron Bidlake and 6 others 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,558 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Good to see sha wahab gets a win today, i think its his first, was ridden with plenty of patience. I think racha cuneen is abit under rated, certainly is riding well at the moment. Certainly is a tough life, and we must spare a thought to the ones that we have lost over the years. THE TORCH 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Lynsey Satherley is one. Good to see her win on Autumn Wind at Ellerslie today. Does the hard yards at the Trials educating them but doesn't get the rides raceday very often. ivanthegreat, sir1galivant, Steve Paul and 4 others 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible 632 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Just to clarify, under rated does not mean the jockey with the worst strike rate in the country. Some of those named are contenders for that honour. WhoKnows 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoKnows 791 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 I think Cameron Lammas is very under-rated, every time I've backed him he has given his mount it's chance, he also isn't afraid to put his horses in the race which goes a long way to getting a positive result. His strike-rate this season is pretty good as well. Grego, Gruff, THE TORCH and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,843 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Viktoria Gatu and Tim Johnstone are two young jockeys that have improved markedly this season. ADM, We're Doomed and gubellini 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 26 minutes ago, gubellini said: Lynsey Satherley is one. Good to see her win on Autumn Wind at Ellerslie today. Does the hard yards at the Trials educating them but doesn't get the rides raceday very often. And there's probably a good reason for that. Kent and Mr Spyro 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Probably more that are overrated than underrated . Sickopunter and the shue25 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 puha same could probably be said about their agents as well! Belinda 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngatimaru 51 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Would 1 Win per 33 rides be average Or a bit Dodgy Or Poor ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,961 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Over the years I would have to say Darryl Bradley. racingsouthdude and Kent 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,064 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 1 hour ago, ngatimaru said: Would 1 Win per 33 rides be average Or a bit Dodgy Or Poor ? None of the above. it could be bloody superb if everyone of the rides is over $50. S/R of jockeys has zero relevance unless the price of the runner is taken into account. The only way to determine a jockeys ability is to apply an Actual to Expected formula over a long period of time. Belinda, chevy86 and Lloyd Vivian 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Newmarket note that Autumn Wind today was one of the few favourites that Lynsey ever gets to ride. Her previous winner was First Honour at Ellerslie on November 26. He paid $56.10. Sadly she mainly rides only longshots! Steve Paul 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,064 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Mark Hills in the North Daniel Bothamley in the South Masa Tanaka in the CD All 3 riders have outstanding A to E's & just backing them when riding in a certain price range will turn a profit long term. sir1galivant, gubellini, MrBigStuff and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,064 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 9 minutes ago, gubellini said: Newmarket note that Autumn Wind today was one of the few favourites that Lynsey ever gets to ride. Her previous winner was First Honour at Ellerslie on November 26. He paid $56.10. Sadly she mainly rides only longshots! Lynsey's A to E is the 2nd lowest in the North, so regardless of price the runner is paying she doesn't have a positive influence on the horses chances. So if using a graph to illustrate, she is significantly on the wrong side of break even line through the middle on anything she rides. Where as the 3 I mention above are significantly above the break even line and have a strong positive influence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Spyro 408 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 18 minutes ago, gubellini said: Newmarket note that Autumn Wind today was one of the few favourites that Lynsey ever gets to ride. Her previous winner was First Honour at Ellerslie on November 26. He paid $56.10. Sadly she mainly rides only longshots! These days maybe . but it wasn't always like that in the past. To put in in the best way..... going from riding favourites to outsiders can happen if a jockey argues back to top trainers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Vivian 742 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Even OP couldn't get anything home in Hong Kong when he was on longshots all day.... Belinda, Kent, Shad and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,558 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 2 hours ago, The Crucible said: Just to clarify, under rated does not mean the jockey with the worst strike rate in the country. Some of those named are contenders for that honour. The have to start some where, and often struggle for rides, cant all be at the top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 barryb agree about Mark Hills. Very good judge of pace but often goes through lean patches simply because he doesn't get quality rides often. Masa Tanaka a big improver this season. THE TORCH 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Sth Island............. Chris Johnson Nth Island...............Mark Hills bus stop and THE TORCH 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible 632 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 24 minutes ago, Shad said: The have to start some where, and often struggle for rides, cant all be at the top. Not referring to the new starters - a couple of those mentioned in the first four responses on this thread have had plenty of rides - over 5,000 in fact and have strike-rates of roughly 1 in 20 and 1 in 18. You might say it's because they don't get the rides that the top jockeys do, but as someone said, there's a reason for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 The Crucible great quote from the legendary jockey the late Pat Eddery 11 times English Champion Jockey. " Being a jockey is 50 per cent what you do on the course and 50 per cent off it.If you don't manage those relationships well, particularly in times of disappointment, you'll be finished." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 5 hours ago, puha said: Probably more that are overrated than underrated . If you're riding in NZ are you aren't making headlines and you've had more than 100 rides you've got problems. If you're riding in the South Island or Central Districts and not riding a lot of winners consider yourself lucky to be employed. A lot of riders in NZ are woeful. Blue 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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