gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 Brodie very good point. The RIU seem to be targeting Junior Drivers for sure. It is up to the JCA Panels to be more consistent in their findings and penalties. Perhaps they defer too much to the advice and recommendations of the RIU Stewards? hsvman 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toblerone 242 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 Guilty on 3 of 4 charges. Should be in for a long, well-deserved holiday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 Another junior got pinged last night for trying to hard it would seem ,they harp on about public perception but surely they need to take into account the betting publics perception as there more betting public that watch and spend money on races rather than the animal rights would just protest for the sake of it rangi and shapiro 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Spyro 408 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 On 18/11/2016 at 8:16 PM, gubellini said: Sad to see the judge,jury and executioner brigade going ballistic on this thread. Wait for the respective inquiries to conclude and you can all eat humble pie! Well. it looks like the humble pie will be going back in the freezer. Nothing wrong at all defending him and calling it like you see it, a little misguided this time around that's all. gubellini, hsvman and WhoKnows 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 My guess would be it's a disqualification rather than a suspension Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toblerone 242 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Toblerone said: Guilty on 3 of 4 charges. Should be in for a long, well-deserved holiday. Sorry, 2 of 3. Evidently the Manawatu race went from two charges to one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,682 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 Geoff Martin bloody hard to beat at poker and snooker in his younger T/A days now beats himself, hmmmmmmmmm Fartoomuch and shapiro 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 Mr Spyro yes I am eating humble pie. Won't be the last time. Defending jockeys and drivers can be an arduous task! Four gallopers I have shares in will race this month. I GUARANTEE I will not criticise any of their jockeys. The day I start bagging jockeys and drivers will be the day I get out of racing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Spyro 408 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 21 minutes ago, gubellini said: Mr Spyro yes I am eating humble pie. Won't be the last time. Defending jockeys and drivers can be an arduous task! Four gallopers I have shares in will race this month. I GUARANTEE I will not criticise any of their jockeys. The day I start bagging jockeys and drivers will be the day I get out of racing! Fair enough, as an owner I realise things don't always go to plan, anything can happen. Years ago I remember a jockey getting stung by a wasp mid race and not being able to ride the horse out, I'm sure there was case more recently where horse itself was stung on bum. However if the ride is so out of whack and contrary to instruction you surely have right to ask the question. I don't know driving fee, I think riding fee is around $ 145 ? Look at this way, if said jockey paid you that money for plumbing job and you made a complete balls up. you can bet they wouldn't be happy forking out for the bill. I'm pretty sure ( tight little fellas they are with their money as we all know ) no excuse would wash with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 6 hours ago, gubellini said: Oh well looks like Geoff Martin Lynch Mob 1 gubellini 0. Looks like he will get a disqualification period for the Manawatu charge and a fine for the lesser Cambridge charge. I will continue to defend drivers and jockeys when I deem it to be appropriate. Any thoughts on his penalty to be delivered at Auckland tonight? I think he should get 2 years suspension from driving. Nothing wrong with telling a driver what you think. Its just a matter of saying it in a way that is not a put down. All the good drivers get off and tell you if they have made a mistake anyway. The main thing is they are giving it there best shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikecity 747 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 I remember Ces Devine saying it doesn't matter whether you are first or last you should be able to think of how you could have driven the horse better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimtapper 7 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 17 hours ago, gubellini said: Thanks kimtapper I never drove raceday. Only a Dominion Handicap winner in WORK. Thanks for the correction! Sorry gubellini.I never tried to correct you- only stating i also drove a Dominion winner in Work that has a sneaky look into this site.Good Luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Thanks kimtapper. Best wishes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 On the Manawatu charge Geoff had his Horseman's licence suspended for one year and fined $1,000. On the Cambridge charge Geoff lost his Horseman's licence for three months. Effectively out till March 2018. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 One assumes a appeal will be lodged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted December 2, 2016 8 hours ago, eljay said: One assumes a appeal will be lodged. Eljay, what basis would he appeal it? Clearly guilty of not giving his horse every chance to win. If he wasn't going to use the whip then he shouldn't carry one, and notify the public as such! Danke hasn't been going that good recently because he has started him at every meeting and sometimes twice in the night, and he has gone stale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Brodie - I'm not saying he should appeal it but isn't that usually what happens? Seen plenty lately who appeal on grounds of "severity of sentence". And of course it now that time of the year when the legal profession take 6 to 8 weeks off so the appeal date would be late January/February which would then mean he could carry on till such time as the appeal is held. And it's pretty certain he would be eyeing up the December/January grass circuit with both his horses. I don't know whether he had any legal counsel or advocate for the just completed hearing until the JCA post the full summary of the hearing in their web site. shapiro 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise 554 Report post Posted December 18, 2016 What a bloody joke. Geoff Martin gets massacred by many on here and gets 15 months but you say nothing about Allan Beck's conviction for not trying on Don Sebastion and he only gets 3 race days off. That Mr Beck had failed to show enough vigour over the concluding stages of the race was said by the RIU to be “hugely detrimental to the image and interests of our sport”. Mr Beck’s actions had had a detrimental effect not only on the punters who had invested on the race but also on any potential punters who would have been “turned away” by his actions. Through disadvantaging the public, as he had, the actions of Mr Beck had only served to dent the reputation of Harness Racing. If I were Geoff Martin I would be pretty pissed off and feel victimised. Complete bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise 554 Report post Posted December 18, 2016 Here is a good read. Comedy at its best. Wyndham HRC - Sunday, 13th November 2016 Race 2 - A ROCKNROLL DANCE 'SIRING OUTSTANDING FOALS' MOBILE PACE The adjourned hearing in relation to the charge issued to Open Driver Mr A Beck alleging he had failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures in the home straight to ensure DON SEBASTIAN was given full opportunity to win the race was held at Ascot Park Raceway on 24th November 2016. Mr Beck defended this charge and after viewing all available films along with considering evidence presented by the Racing Integrity Unit, Mr Beck and his witnesses Mr M Swain and DON SEBASTIAN's trainer Mr D Baynes the JCA found the charge to be proven. After written submissions on penalty were filed the JCA's decision dated 15th December 2016 was to suspend Mr Beck's horseman's license from the end of racing at the WAIRIO TC's meeting on the 17th December 2016 up to and including the WINTON HRC's meeting on the 29th December 2016 (3 racing days). Mr Beck was additionally fined the sum of $480.00 and ordered to pay costs to the sum of $220.00 to the Racing Integrity Unit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted December 18, 2016 Happy Sunrise totally agree. Obviously Alan Beck is on the protected species list drawn up by the RIU and JCA. Hapless Geoff Martin and Junior Drivers aren't on the list and have the book thrown at them! WhoKnows 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted December 18, 2016 Double standards in these 2 cases. Makes you wonder sometimes. I would have thought trying is the most important thing in any race. Some drivers can make an error of judgment sometimes,misjudging their place or their timing, but this looked a case of not wanting to win. Not sure why he drove like he did as he is normally very good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise 554 Report post Posted December 19, 2016 Where are the crusaders for punishment for not driving a horse out? Where are the outraged followers of harness racing looking to clean up the game? Why didn't the whip lovers get stuck into him for not using it? Allan Beck gets 3 days for not trying and nary a word! Hypocrites. Maybe the bandwagon was big enough or trendy enough! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: Where are the crusaders for punishment for not driving a horse out? Where are the outraged followers of harness racing looking to clean up the game? Why didn't the whip lovers get stuck into him for not using it? Allan Beck gets 3 days for not trying and nary a word! Hypocrites. Maybe the bandwagon was big enough or trendy enough! Yes there are inconsistencies all the time from the Stipes. Geoff Martin got a massive suspension due to him flouting the rules more than once, however does seem too long in comparison to Alan Becks! Not too sure what Becks motivation for not driving the horse out was really unless he was having an afternoon kip. There are going to be more episodes of drivers not driving horses out in tight finishes due to the new 10 hit whip rule! James Hedded got fined yesterday for excess hits in the last 400m and he wouldn't have run a pace without the whip and broke the rules and yet the punters of the placed horses and the 4th horse lose out don't they! Maybe suspensions rather than fines should occur which would make the drivers perhaps obey the new rule! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,923 Report post Posted December 27, 2016 Danke resumed on the grass at Te Awamutu today. Simon Lawson in the bike. Confirmed my opinion that he is no more than a perennial place getter by running third. Spikecity and Happy Sunrise 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 Was back on the fence and absolutely flew home once he gott given one on the arse, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...