merv o brien 152 Report post Posted July 3, 2013 Happened to be traveling in the car yesterday with the racing station on, and Peter Early has the Greyhound Racing Manager on the radio. Well what a bloody embarrassment this guy is to the Industry, Peter Early got on to the subject of current positives within the Greyhounds and The Racing Manager tries to defend the trainer who has the positives to this Canine EPO.. Hey you idiot, the trainers obligation is to present the dog free of drugs or any type of medication that creates a positive.. How about the trainer presenting the greyhound actually as a greyhound rather than having loaded up on some shit and performing like Ben Johnson on steriods. After that performance maybe GNZ would be better off employing someone who knows something about the Industry and its Rules. dustydreamnz, modest mouse and hedley 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted July 3, 2013 I didn't hear the interview but for 'positive things' why don't they ever talk about the star greyhounds of the moment-Bright Star, Dixie Lee, Thrilling Brat, Speed Legend etc. and the big races coming up like tonights Chch meeting. Isn't that what's going to attract new people to the greyhound industry who are listening? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted July 3, 2013 dustydreamnz... Talking about the great things that are happening on the track at the moment requires knowledge of the industry. Therein lies the problem. Mr O'Brien has identified the issue. All the best. Ashoka modest mouse 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmissile 409 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 I'm not sure what he actually does, I tried to get hold of him 3 times over the space of 2 days and got voicemail all 3 times, left my name and number all 3 times and never had the decency to ring back ...a great way to treat the industry participants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 dustydreamnz... Talking about the great things that are happening on the track at the moment requires knowledge of the industry. Therein lies the problem. Mr O'Brien has identified the issue. All the best. Ashoka Exactly, someone else is needed or required as Peter Fenemor would say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 I'm not sure what he actually does, I tried to get hold of him 3 times over the space of 2 days and got voicemail all 3 times, left my name and number all 3 times and never had the decency to ring back ...a great way to treat the industry participants. That is disgraceful behaviour from someone in such a high position. Embarrassing when you think about it tho, talk about setting standards low for others to follow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rouseabout 59 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Reading up on the technicality of EPO I see that in layman's terms it is a hormone that triggers the bone marrow to produce more red blood cells. How can excuses be made for the use of this product ? Why are we not racing on a " level playing field."? I am led to believe that caffeine was unexpectedly contained in the product. Where is good old honest NZ greyhound racing headed ? "As ye sew so shall ye reap" Ray Adcock hedley, iteruka and modest mouse 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin 200 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Actually Ray I think it is as you sow, it would be hard to reap ya tablecloth chiknsmack and modest mouse 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin 200 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Ray, I have not read up on canine EPO, but from what I have heard it does not contain erythropoietin that causes the increase in red blood cells, I think EPO is just a selling point for it. Hard to defend a positive from caffeine under those circumstances. It will be interesting to see the result compared to the cough mixture that was accidently administered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack 473 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 "Canine EPO" doesn't actually contain any EPO. It's just a name to attract people who've heard about real EPO as magical go-fast juice used by Olympians, cyclists etc. It's advertised as safe and legal, but it actually swabs (caffeine, as mentioned). Hence the warning on the GRNZ website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 "Canine EPO" doesn't actually contain any EPO. It's just a name to attract people who've heard about real EPO as magical go-fast juice used by Olympians, cyclists etc. It's advertised as safe and legal, but it actually swabs (caffeine, as mentioned). Hence the warning on the GRNZ website. is it legal in nz my guess is no riu should punish the offender min 12 months Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Reading up on the technicality of EPO I see that in layman's terms it is a hormone that triggers the bone marrow to produce more red blood cells. How can excuses be made for the use of this product ? Why are we not racing on a " level playing field."? I am led to believe that caffeine was unexpectedly contained in the product. Where is good old honest NZ greyhound racing headed ? "As ye sew so shall ye reap" Ray Adcock the point is ray if you slap everyone on the wrist for administering drugs what do you expect min 12 months first offence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh77 88 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 If a product is advertised as being safe and legal!! Why wouldn't it be used?? As far as I know there's lots of different products being used with no ill effects.i would think if caffeine was known to be in this product it wouldn't have been used! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar Bar Black Sheep 45 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Thank god we live in a democratic society in Australasia with the leading statement of innocent to proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt! josh77 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin 200 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 I think there is some merit in Lad's post. The rules say that the dog must present drug free on raceday not what you do with your dogs in between. The only difference I can see with this case and historic cases of trainers saying on TV that their dogs or horses were getting an advantage through the administration of oxyshot and this one is that the canine epo contained caffeine that the trainer may not have been aware of, as I said in a previous post it will be hard to defend because they apparently were not drug free on raceday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Shady 479 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Has anyone had a read up on another product that is more than likely being used here by dog trainer's, callled TB500? I understand it is the ultimate performance enhancing drug, it is legal simply because a test to detect it is not available as yet! The advert for this product states a typical side effect which is..."dog's will become very hypoactive and anxious whilst on this product'!!!! Apparently its very expensive to buy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 Has anyone had a read up on another product that is more than likely being used here by dog trainer's, callled TB500? I understand it is the ultimate performance enhancing drug, it is legal simply because a test to detect it is not available as yet! The advert for this product states a typical side effect which is..."dog's will become very hypoactive and anxious whilst on this product'!!!! Apparently its very expensive to buy. Gee Slim, where'ya been, TB500 is old hat, thats the stuff Nickey Chillcott got caught smuggling in at CH CH Airport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted July 5, 2013 I think there is some merit in Lad's post. The rules say that the dog must present drug free on raceday not what you do with your dogs in between. The only difference I can see with this case and historic cases of trainers saying on TV that their dogs or horses were getting an advantage through the administration of oxyshot and this one is that the canine epo contained caffeine that the trainer may not have been aware of, as I said in a previous post it will be hard to defend because they apparently were not drug free on raceday. mike its not conclusive that the caffeine came from epo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted July 6, 2013 Ray, I have not read up on canine EPO, but from what I have heard it does not contain erythropoietin that causes the increase in red blood cells, I think EPO is just a selling point for it. Hard to defend a positive from caffeine under those circumstances. It will be interesting to see the result compared to the cough mixture that was accidently administered. actually you will find canine epo doesn't have caffeine , so were did the caffeine come from, before anyone says it does the company that makes it has confirmed it doesn't contain caffeine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin 200 Report post Posted July 6, 2013 Fair comment Gary presumption on my part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin 200 Report post Posted July 6, 2013 I take that last post back Gary as I believe that tests done in Aus. have revealed caffeine in unopened bottles regardless of the manufacturers claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzim 338 Report post Posted July 7, 2013 I heard the so called interview and that's exactly what the manager was saying.the manufacturer stated that no caffeine was in their product but when' tests were done it was found in there.bit hard to blame the trainer I would have thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted July 7, 2013 I take that last post back Gary as I believe that tests done in Aus. have revealed caffeine in unopened bottles regardless of the manufacturers claims. who did the tests Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted July 7, 2013 I heard the so called interview and that's exactly what the manager was saying.the manufacturer stated that no caffeine was in their product but when' tests were done it was found in there.bit hard to blame the trainer I would have thought. firstly is the product legal to use in nz, if not then who de we blame Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted July 7, 2013 I take that last post back Gary as I believe that tests done in Aus. have revealed caffeine in unopened bottles regardless of the manufacturers claims. so the product was purchased in aust if so is that legal in its self > ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...