The claimer 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2012 I would like to receive some feedback on what people think is an acceptable winning stake. My reason for posting, is to get an idea on what owners should expect to receive before they are handicapped for a win. Am I wrong to think that clubs find it easy to include claimer conditions for races (which, in the main, I don't have a problem with) and these claiming conditions seem basically uniform across the country, but clubs seem reluctant to do the same for winning or lifetime stakes as part of the conditions. Am I on the wrong bandwagon??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majbarnett 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 what ever it has cost to get horse that point...including purchase price.otherwise a nice ribeye or t thanx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The claimer 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 what ever it has cost to get horse that point...including purchase price.otherwise a nice ribeye or t thanx Well I assume you have never raced a horse, as if so, you would know that there is no chance of getting anywhere near what it has cost you to get a horse that far Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Moore 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 it would be a huge step forward to have Tues meets and low grade meets (Manawatu, Timaru etc) as half a penalty i.e. 2 wins at these meets equals a one win penalty. Of course it would then be fair to have those meets stakes reduced comparatively which would a huge asset to some of those struggling clubs. Would extend the competitive life of the lower grade horse somewhat and give the "battler" more opportunity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majbarnett 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 euen better ...shoot the battler...stop low stake low class midweekers...increase normal meet stakes.....regulate number of mares served each season also regulate numbers each stallion can service each season...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Moore 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 euen better ...shoot the battler...stop low stake low class midweekers...increase normal meet stakes.....regulate number of mares served each season also regulate numbers each stallion can service each season...... just kill the industry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclops 1 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 just kill the industry track meetings could be graded Addington, Auckland -A grade Metro with B grade on application for tuesday meets etc All others B grade with option for A grade status on application for special days-eg A grade status for Harness Jewels or suitable stakes races etc. B grade wins dont affect A grade ratings. Claiming races or junior driver races penalty free. lol Don't be too harsh it's just a suggestion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The claimer 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 I was thinking along the lines of $6055 which is about the minimum win stake for Auckland Trotting Club. A. Non winners B. Winning stakes up to $6000 C. Wwinning stakes up to $12,000. D. Winning stakes up to $18,000. etc The clubs could also choose between 'Actual or 'Handicapped' earnings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Unit 1 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 We could do with some American-style programming as well. Ie No Wins last 6 starts, PBD based on lifetime earnings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The claimer 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 We could do with some American-style programming as well. Ie No Wins last 6 starts, PBD based on lifetime earnings. I would go along with that however I would prefer no wins in last 10 starts as some wont try if it is only 6....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The claimer 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 track meetings could be graded Addington, Auckland -A grade Metro with B grade on application for tuesday meets etc All others B grade with option for A grade status on application for special days-eg A grade status for Harness Jewels or suitable stakes races etc. B grade wins dont affect A grade ratings. Claiming races or junior driver races penalty free. lol Don't be too harsh it's just a suggestion... Would at least be a step in the right direction if we can't have stake earnings as a condition in most races. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightymo 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2012 The NZ handicapping system needs a complete overhaul. It is the single biggest issue that the industry faces. Something very similar to the Aust tiered handicapping system needs to be adopted, and soon!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tackle 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2012 I would go along with that however I would prefer no wins in last 10 starts as some wont try if it is only 6....... A little harsh don't you think. I don't think that thought would even occur to most trainers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The claimer 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2012 A little harsh don't you think. I don't think that thought would even occur to most trainers. Maybe, but have a look at how some horses are driven in Tuesday type meetings and you might start to wonder as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The claimer 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2012 Good to see you have added winning stakes as a condition in most of the eligible races. Pity race 3 doesn't have winning stakes as a condition for each mark as well. A real step in the right direction, in my opinion. Keep that up, and I may even start sponsoring the odd race again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Unit 1 Report post Posted January 18, 2012 The NZ handicapping system needs a complete overhaul. It is the single biggest issue that the industry faces. Something very similar to the Aust tiered handicapping system needs to be adopted, and soon!! I disagree. The single biggest issue is ridiculous stud fees driving foal crops down and down and doooooooooown. This means less horses produced meaning smaller fields, less horses to fill meetings and less money wagered. Less money for stakes, less returns for owners, so they don't breed or sell, just compounding the problem. We have seen this year the abandondment of many meetings due to lack of horses and the subsequent effect of this on the bottom line and be read in the HRNZ Executive Meeting report. Someone needs to start a movement to drive down service fees post haste. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majbarnett 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2012 just kill the industry Nah it is on life surport now ..... Never before in its history has racing had the competion it has today for that entertainment or social dollar...within the sameish population... Not worry tho you will still be able to watch racing via the web via aussie... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Vic 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2012 euen better ...shoot the battler...stop low stake low class midweekers...increase normal meet stakes.....regulate number of mares served each season also regulate numbers each stallion can service each season...... Hitler relives Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
