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Emotive last won the day on December 21 2017

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  1. GAP Kennels (or lack thereof)

    That is extremely worrying and very sad for the southern trainers.
  2. 3 scratched

    I only asked as you said you were there and confirmed the 3 x 28-day stand downs citing 2 serious injuries. Others have since confirmed the Friday night report under 40.15 as quoted by the thread author. But the confirmed report Monday night has only 1 28-day stand down, and the 2 previous 28-days reduced to 10. It is indeed an enigma.
  3. 3 scratched

    Does that not seem strange, 28 reduced to 10?
  4. 3 scratched

    Alltheway, what am I missing? I posted a snapshot of the stipes report last night. Gun and Jane got 10 days. Narelle a 28-day stand down for non-presentation. Has this report altered since Friday? Where is the 28-days coming from?
  5. 3 scratched

    Can you confirm this is the report you refer to? It is a screenshot from last Friday at Wanganui.
  6. 3 scratched

    What I find interesting is the variation of the rules applied: 5 dogs scratched under rule 40.13, 4 given 10-day stand downs as per the rule. 1 received a 5-day stand down only which allows it to run on Wednesday 30th. 1 dog scratched under rule 40.15, (non-presentation) the day before the meeting, received a mandatory 28-day stand down, but no mention in the judicial report. Nommed for the Tuesday 30th on the day it was scratched, which was when the meeting closed on Thursday 25th. My concern is the 5-day stand down as opposed to the 10-day stand down the others received and why no mention of the rule 40.15 scratching in the judiciary report? Your comment above, "whatever he did he did it to survive get over yourselves lol" has to be more harmful than any other comment made on this thread. It's great that you have a rapport with a particular trainer and I hope your dog is living the life of Riley in her retirement, but that really has no relevance to the thread conversation.
  7. GAP Kennels (or lack thereof)

    FYI. Looking at the proposed route options for the new Levin - Otaki section of the 4 lane expressway, there is a possibility the build will affect the GAP kennels on the Manakau straight. The new preferred option will most probably see the road built through Muhunoa East which is on the same side of the existing highway as the kennels. When the expressway was originally discussed (prior to purchase) the road was to be built on the west side of the existing highway, that appears to no longer be a viable option. Given the number of historical, ecological, and protected sites to the west, along with known flooding and topography, the eastern route makes greater sense.
  8. Time for positive leadership.

    The total GAP income divided by the number of dogs rehomed. And by the way, GAP had to be bailed out, on top of the contribution the industry provided for the year. That total industry contribution was $490,998. In 2016, that contribution was $338,115, so that was an increase of $152,883. So based on the figures the industry paid the extra $152, 883 to rehome 12 more dogs than in 2016. If you want to look at it another way, $850,000 for Levin plus $490,998 (2017), plus $338,115 (2016) equals $1,679,113 to re-home 554 at $3,030.88 per dog. https://greyhoundsaspets.org.nz/sites/default/files/2016/Greyhounds as Pets 2017 Financial Report.pdf
  9. Time for positive leadership.

    You have made some valid points I Know. The present re-homing option is falling short. There has been a huge amount of money poured into GAP since the Levin Kennels came online. This includes an $800,00 purchase of that same property. But, there has been no significant increase in the numbers re-homed. If you compare the northern contract figures with Levin there is also no significant difference between the two, despite the greater number of dedicated kennels in Levin. The system needs to be overhauled. Off the top of my head, I believe it is costing around $2,500 to re-home each dog. (Based on the last year's financials, and number of dogs re-homed). That's ridiculous! Just like to add, the reason that dogs aren't given away is simple. If an adoptee has to pay for a dog, the less likely they are to dump them after adoption. They are more likely to work through any issues that may arise. Also, all adoptees must be vetted, not all applicants will make suitable adoptees. Retired greys have a great rep, and we must take care to ensure that rep remains intact. Whether you import or breed, you have a professional and moral responsibility to those dogs. That includes making dogs ready for retirement and re-homing. If you can't give back to the dogs you bred, imported, or raced, then you are at the heart of the problems outlined in the report. When saying this I am in no way referring to you, I Know. "You" is a general term for anyone who does not make the effort.
  10. Time for positive leadership.

    I have raced hand me down imports, and hand me down NZ breds. I have re-homed both. I don't have an issue with a capped import quota, there should be a choice. However, most recent the buying of imports to target the money races specifically. That resentment isn't about envy, it's about the amount of work put in here as opposed to buying readymade group winners off the shelf. Then there are the large NZ breeders who breed 300 dogs to get maybe 10 competitive top-end dogs. The problem is what happens to the 100 that don't meet minimum kennel standards. If you ban imports altogether to protect your own, do you then ban imported semen as well? I do not support a ban, I support sensible regulation that ensures the numbers raced and re-homed are manageable.
  11. GAP Kennels (or lack thereof)

    Mcmissile. Hampton Downs and Amberley are both contracted kennels which isn't a bad thing. They are paid per dog, as opposed to Levin which is a paid staff kennel. Hampton Downs (6) re-homes similar numbers to the Levin kennels who have a capacity of 18. Contracted kennels are also private boarding kennels. From memory, Hampton Downs has 6 designated GAP kennels, and Amberley I think has 4. I agree the present situation is not ideal. Looking at the numbers I don't believe Levin is value for money. I believe several contract kennels across the country would be a much better option. These smaller more intimate kennels should be situated close to large population bases. Amberley is the only kennel in the south island, given the number of dogs they have on the waiting list, this is unacceptable. Ideally, there should be at least one contract kennel in each of the most populated regions, i.e. Christchurch, Dunedin, Invercargill, and Nelson. At 6 kennels per contractor, that would give 24 dogs sitting on the list an immediate place. A new re-homer now exists in Auckland but is not industry funded. They need to be funded. Nightrave in Fielding is funded. Replacing Levin with contracted kennels in Wellington, New Plymouth, Tauranga, Napier, Hamilton, and two in Auckland would increase north island capacity to a minimum of 60. Combine north and south and you are looking at in excess of 80 dogs accommodated. A suitably qualified manager in each island would oversee the running and testing of all adoptees. I believe smaller more intimate kennels would be of benefit to the dogs in care. I am told GAP underwent a full review toward the end of 2017, however, the results of that review were not shared. Selling Levin and investing in smaller contracted kennels makes great financial sense but as we all know, common sense is not the norm in this industry. $800,000 from the Levin sale would go along way toward setting up a better system.
  12. No More

    In response to your first sentence, yes they can. I am not sure if you read the latest report which made recommendations in regard to breeding, but some form of regulation is imminent within the greyhound industry. What form that regulation will take is unknown at this time. Regulation ensures healthy competition. If the industry was regulated by the Commerce Commision for example, a monopoly would not be allowed to exist. Healthy competition gives the consumer options and helps keep prices down. The major players in the petroleum industry were slapped for price fixing. The quote below is from a news article that was previously posted to Racecafe, and the questions put are very valid.

    I never said it happens every race GOM, I said it is happening despite the ban, and that fact was confirmed by two other people. I also never said anything about watching on the telly. And how do I know, just sit at the end of the grandstand terrace and watch the stir-ups at Wanganui. My point was if an action is banned would there be a will to police the ban?
  14. No More

    There are many who would applaud that effort, but the simple fact is, they race large numbers of dogs and create races that they will dominate. Example: 410, 457, and 520m races containing 8 kennel runners. Most of the runners just make up the numbers for a guaranteed result. I believe they had around 53 acceptors and lined up 45 on Monday. It has been said that they have more dogs than the total from all other kennels in the CD. I don't agree that the intended domination of north island tracks is good for the future of racing on any level. How do you attract new blood to the sport when such deliberate domination exists? Given the last report, how do you justify that type of breeding? What possessed the GRNZ to sanction such large-scale breeding given the number bred by that kennel is greater than the total re-homed by GAP per annum? The future is not bright. I applaud those who hang in there despite the odds.

    Personally, I don't have an issue with the "no squeaker rule" but I do agree it does seem OTT. Is there a will to police this rule, can't say I believe there is because certain trainers are still whistling at pre-race stir-ups, and that was banned also. Just wondering if these rules are meant to be applied to all cos' from my race day armchair that doesn't appear to be the case.