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  1. As the resident know-it-all I'm sure you meant Craig Baker the ARC Racing Manager as opposed to Hallmark Studs Mark Baker - both top notch fellas but I doubt very much that Mark speaks for the ARC. Good to see you got Claydo's name completely correct - well done you, have half a gold star. For the record I did say the following "No doubt the colours could have been a little more diverse and easier to associate with either the jockey or horse" - my argument was not that the colours weren't tough for those used to seeing the traditional silks - my argument, if you looked outside your narrow minded invective, was that you were just another of the mob trashing the whole event based on one component of a multi headed beast that was designed to try and lift racing out of the doldrums. You all want change, growth, prosperity yet the minute anyone steps outside an antiquated set of norms you attempt to undermine them with your overwrought version of the chicken little classic "The sky is falling...:
    4 points
  2. Emotive

    Dead baiting NSW

    I read the testimony from the very first complaint which also involved the SPCA. Again the complaint came from a former employee who was a minor at the time. Sadly the complainant stated that "We went to a tribunal meeting where my mother and I felt bullied." That was 15 years ago. Please don't go down the path of trying to discredit witnesses, when it is unknown whether they had also made previous complaints which were possibly not taken seriously. Questioning their motives for coming forward at this time is appalling behaviour. I have only respect for anyone who puts their hand up to be counted. Given some of the hostile comments here, I can fully understand why a witness would not be willing to have their identity shared on the telly.
    3 points
  3. Eyespy

    Dead baiting NSW

    Am I missing something here? Isnt Lisa Cole the trainer not Brendon?, all the heat seems to be going on him, what about her? Surely she would know what goes on at her kennels, wouldn't you think??
    3 points
  4. Joe blogs

    Dead baiting NSW

    you have watched the tv clip Shaun thought it was part of the training and that live kills was just kept quite he came foward when he found out it wasnt legal still can't understand why grnz havent stood the whole kennel and staff down
    3 points
  5. what a post

    Dead baiting NSW

    With the risk of offending emotive,i just thought they sounded like a woman. As far as the riu and nz greyhound association go,Is it just me, but don't they look mugs. Lead story on the 10 pm radio news. Now 7,yes 7, former employees who have come forward to say mr cole did this regularly. One man saying it was every week or fortnight when he was there. Imagine that,all these witnesses yet none of the racing authorities could come up with any evidence. Hard to believe isn't it. Was this a cover up or are they that ineffectual. Footnote. I have now just watched the latest tv story on you tube. Maybe its time the minister of racing stepped in as this is not going to end well if it continues to be handled by racing authorities as it currently is. Hard to believe so many learnt nothing from the Australian fiasco.
    3 points
  6. rdytdy

    Ellerslie today

    So Mr Blind Squirrel, I hope that you heard the interview with Mark Baker from the Auckland Racing Club and Mark Claydon this afternoon when Mark Baker stated that the colours didn't work well last night and that they will be looking at that for next year The people that criticized that aspect here have been well and truly vindicated.
    3 points
  7. clarkie

    Dead baiting NSW

    I would like to take this chance to thank You Scooby, for the effort you take to provide us all with a platform to be heard. What is happening at present with the Greyhound Story is just the beginning of which, is , in my opinion, Justified. I sincerely hope that all will turn out Positive for the Greyhound Sport, Likewise, with all codes. I face the J.C.A. tomorrow with charges that are concerned, and alligned , to many posts that have been made on this very sensitive topic. I have so far, no reason to doubt that the R.I.U. and the the J.C.A. have acted improperly in this instance but struggle to comprehend why the N.Z.G.R.A. have targeted me over a matter that could have been settled with a phone call, when they face a far more serious situation that was lodged before my charge and still has not been actioned. I am prepared after the Hearing tomorrow to give you the raw facts, if that is okay with you?.. Sincerely Clarkie
    3 points
  8. what a post

    Dead baiting NSW

    What about the bloke who said he was contacted in 2015 by the riu, he told them what was going on,and never heard back. That was in an earlier story. Do you really believe all these witnesses have said nothing to authorities previously. How many does it take in your view. Have each and every one of the many issues investigated by the riu in the central districts been unrelated? Do you think it a good look that dogs owned by mr cole continue to race,and do you not think any dogs associated with that kennel should be stood down from racing. Have any of his owners come out and said they will be removing their dogs from that kennel. Have any high profile trainers come out and been critical of these practices and expressed disgust in anyone who uses these methods. No they haven't. Had they done so that would have taken some of the momentum out of the story and suggested some integrity within the industry.. That tells a story itself.
    2 points
  9. Joe blogs

    Dead baiting NSW

    eyespy you can see i said the whole kennel and staff mrzim why do you think people are hiding there faces it wasn't that many years ago the person involed employed heavies to threaten people on the track
    2 points
  10. Eyespy

    Dead baiting NSW

    Some are even labelled troublemakers when they do come forward wil legit complaints
    2 points
  11. 100 1

    Trump written off

    I’m with you Aqua See how this pans out….Q at the very highest level So let me see if I got this straight? – Q (past): George Soros is a target to clean the swamp. – Q (past): George Soros owns the voting machines. – Q (past): DNC thought they were going to win in 2016 by rigging the election, but good guys stopped them rigging 2016 election. They never thought they were going to lose. – Q (day before the election, 12/11/17): “We have a special place picked out for George Soros; really Special” – (Mon at 22:02, a day before the election this post comes out on 4chan): “The Storm is coming to Alabama. Tomorrow night. Doug Jones will be declared the winner of the U.S. Senate Special Election. He will have more votes than Roy Moore. The multiple fraudulent voting techniques employed to achieve this result are being allowed to occur. They are being documented. The subsequent “investigation” will reveal the entire Democrat Machine. This was put into play long ago. Y’all are soon to find out the true reason Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III was installed as the U.S. Attorney General.” https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/152927770 – (Tuesday at 16:03 on 8chan before the election results): Q posts a photo of what looks like an Executive order with a message “Merry Christmas”. -(After election results, at 22:44): Q posts a link to an Executive order on election fraud. Q stated, ”Have faith. These people are stupid!” https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/05/11/presidential-executive-order-establishment-presidential-advisory – (23:15): Q posts “special” – (23:28): Q confirms an anon post saying “They knew George Soros was going to mess with the numbers. This was the plan. A VERY SPECAIL PLACE!! What would be the penalty for stealing an elections?“ – Then Trump tweeted “the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time.” • They knew the 2016 was supposed to be rigged and they stopped it. He appointed Sessions to empty a seat so there would be need of a special election. This was the set up to take Soros down. They have been preparing for this for a long time. Date of of Executive order was in May. This will go down as the biggest Sting in history. They will be writing books and making movies about this. QAnon,
    2 points
  12. Mr Spyro

    Ellerslie today

    Avondale racing under lights was ONLY a disaster in winter, in summer the crowds and turn over exceeded pre lights . If they could have found a way to only race i warmer weather they would have been fine. The winters killed them and they did experience some of the worst nights imaginable , their luck has frequently been rat shit over the years. The other thing that did them over was loss of sponsors and corporate crowd after 87 stockmarket crash.
    2 points
  13. I'm not harping on about anything or trolling, I just think it would be far more logical to ring someone who can actually give you an answer after it has become apparent you are not going to get the answer you are looking for on here. If Brodie was to ring the RIU and get a rubbish answer then that would be a good discussion point and add to things, were he to a decent explanation then that would provide clarity and also add to the discussion. The last I will say on the topic is did you have any luck providing that example per my previous post?
    2 points
  14. POPA GAS

    Dead baiting NSW

    Just To let you all know, I do not believe in live baiting and we do not do it.I do believe we should be able to have skins at home to play with our dogs. The rule could be changed that only skins, no body or flesh. Bev
    2 points
  15. hope so mate thought the rise in class would stop him but I tipped the germans to win the war.he is different the old boy. not easy to train or drive but a lovely fella to have around. scanreco bay is another that has zero ability but you.d love to go to war with him on your back. absolute gentleman. it is a pleasure to have these old horses around- wont threaten lazarus but weed need to keep more of them racing- not only do they love it we need them. sadly the emphasis is on young horses- you only have to look Australia us Canada how many race on- only 3 pacers over 7 on sat night-to me it is stupid the way we treat our older horses but the smarts in the industry don't cater for them.they know more than us obviously. even old kd hall I retired and he got mad and wanted to work and race- he tells the young ones off and works with them so Im giving one . then he can go t o pirongia and saddle trots.. just hate killing them racing lemond and co- especially the ones who put 110percent in. he wont go bad he doesn't know how to. good luck.
    2 points
  16. WhoKnows

    Majestic One

    So this horse eraced on Tuesday, started dropping out of the race with 900m to go and was found to be lame. A vet clearance was required before its next start which was tonight, so presumably it was checked by a vet yesterday and given the ok. So the poor thing gets sent around again tonight and finishes a furlong behind the winner. You can't tell me they managed to fix a lame horse in less than a day, I think it is a disgrace them racing this horse tonight.
    1 point
  17. First race start time : 1.22pm Purple lucky for some Started this thread as I needed to post my selections - hope that's okay
    1 point
  18. gary1

    Dead baiting NSW

    actually no link just a source i have within the industry who is normally pretty reliable ill follow up
    1 point
  19. gary1

    Dead baiting NSW

    morning aqua aussies stepped in straight away rspca had nothing to do with it why should an investigation take so long it should have been done by nzgra
    1 point
  20. alltheway!!!

    Dead baiting NSW

    They have done it countless times before. Whats different this time around? Especially when this is the worst story to break in nz greyhounds probably ever
    1 point
  21. aquaman

    Dead baiting NSW

    Do you think it a good look that dogs owned by mr cole continue to race,and do you not think any dogs associated with that kennel should be stood down from racing. Quote from whata post. No I do not think dogs, or Cole, or Lisa, should be stopped from racing. To the best of my knowledge, NZ still has a system of Justice that do's not include lynch mobs, hysteria, and trials by no names on social media. Having said that, the pendulum of evidence appears to be swinging against them on the live baiting with more witness by the day coming forward. I have always said, the photos prove nothing on there own, but creditable eye witness statements add more string to the rope. But getting back to my first point, should he be stopped from racing, the answer is no, because until charges are laid, then there is no crime, and I for one do not want racing authorities to have the power to stop people racing without charges. This is an important principle in any fair minded democracy.
    1 point
  22. Emotive

    Dead baiting NSW

    I would say probably because of their age at the time they were employed Mike. Coming forward for anyone can be quite an ordeal, even more so if you are not taken seriously.
    1 point
  23. GOM

    Dead baiting NSW

    Maybe your post should have questioned why those 7 people have not come forward till now. If they had of this scenario we are talking about would not exist. How were racing authorities to know they existed. The point should be that now an enquiry is under way it should be left to run it's course.
    1 point
  24. chelseacol

    Ellerslie today

    dear oh dear - no the concept wasn't crap. It was great and it worked. They got one bit of the execution wrong and you continue to rave on about it when the club have already publicly acknowledged they will fix the colours next year.
    1 point
  25. Trump

    Ellerslie today

    Avondale I think was offered a merger with Ellerslie. They declined. How stupid. The combined Club would have been a bonza. Filthy rich, huge membership, etc etc. But Avondale decided to live in the past. Where are they now? An anchor like many Clubs in NZ
    1 point
  26. chevy86

    Was it really a Good 3?

    2x1600 races at Ellerslie today run in 1-37.
    1 point
  27. Mr Spyro

    Ellerslie today

    We've been over this time and again, there isn't much wrong with the facilities with member stand and owners / trainers open to everyone, not much difference to other race courses I've been to in last year and that's a fair few. The public stand is a bloody eyesore I'll agree , although no one uses it, maybe knock it down, and grounds need a damn good do up, now they have cash from land sales they should get to it, I see they have made a small start with painting the outside. Now to fix the lift to member's stand for elderly members at cost of $ 100,000 plus..... As Gruff said nothing wrong with parade ring out the back and Richard Fitness does a great job with the track. Being stuck with Wednesday races they could spend untold on facilities and get no bigger crowd than now. Why shut it down ? I stand to be corrected but seem to recall they were 3rd to highest racing club in off course turnover last season or one before ?
    1 point
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  29. what a post

    Dead baiting NSW

    To be honest take out the personal references in emotives replies and I think you are left with someone who talks a lot of sense and you would hope has some influence in directing your industry. Calling her debate unhinged then suggesting she has got too personal is a double standard.
    1 point
  30. Gruff

    Ellerslie today

    So the place looks a bit run down,if your there for Magnolia trees and Rose gardens you've gone to the wrong place,if your there for a few punts ,a relaxed atmosphere on a great racing surface it's all good. Hard to please the 5-star crew.Spend some time around the parade ring out the back,you won't get much closer to Racing identities at most other courses.Good bunch
    1 point
  31. I think I bought a car from your yard.
    1 point
  32. Just as an aside, i noticed the Waterhouse trained 3yo filly by Stratum ex Miss Judged won the first at Geelong today. I guess every little bit helps.
    1 point
  33. Emotive

    Dead baiting NSW

    GOM, I'm not the one arguing for the reinstatement of an illegal practice. Nor will I ever make excuses for anyone who chooses to break or ignore the rules, or someone who encourages illegal behaviour. Those attitudes will bring us all down.
    1 point
  34. Emotive

    Dead baiting NSW

    Actually, I did not, he did. You have been quite selective in your reply, probably because a nerve was hit. He suggested in his previous posts that there is nothing wrong with using dead animals, roadkill, fresh skins etc to train greyhounds, even though to do so is illegal. Even went as far as saying everyone should ignore the rule because the rule is stupid. He advocated that the rule should be expunged. I have never accused anyone here of blooding dogs, on the contrary. What I have done is questioned beliefs and outdated training mentality. What I did was give a valid argument against his stance. Public opinion, participant opinion, adoptee opinion, punter opinion, and the potential for abuse if the word "Dead" was removed from the rule. If you believe that an action which is illegal is OK, then I am at odds with your position and you to need to rethink your reasons for being part of the industry. I did not turn my reply into a personal attack or accuse him of anything else except short-sightedness. Suggesting that participants ignore the rules is far more detrimental to the sport than anything I have said.
    1 point
  35. GOM

    Dead baiting NSW

    EM, you picked the right name of emotive because that is all your rants above are. You go on about blood and guts and John should hand his license in if he persists in using it along with all the other trainers that cannot train their dogs without blood. My observations after years in the sport is that every trainer I know or have known is not doing this. I will bet my house that Aquaman is not either. Your attack is an attack on all greyhound trainers in NZ until you can name the clean ones and the not so clean and sign your name to the list. You turned your reply to John into an unnecessary personal attack that does you no credit
    1 point
  36. what a post

    Dead baiting NSW

    So once they get there once,do they stop chasing?
    1 point
  37. POPA GAS

    Dead baiting NSW

    The Dogs do not know that untill they get there duh.
    1 point
  38. Why would a poster suggest ringing someone for every situation or post if it's not required? Perhaps you could provide the Thoroughbred site example you are talking about? In the two instance I have seen Farttoomuch suggest ringing someone Brodie has rejected other explanations and these numbers have been provided I assume to direct him to the answer that he is seeking.
    1 point
  39. Lowdown

    Dead baiting NSW

    100% agree with previous 2 posts. Old school attitudes will kill this game off, not this current 'scandal'. The liers, the deniers, the people who say "we've been live baiting for years" they are the problem here. Times have changed, rules have changed! The silence, the cover ups, that is the problem! I understand this Journo Mike Morrah was on course yesterday, very breifly before being tossed out by security! Why!? That can't be a good look! Why doesn't Cole make a statement, why doesn't another trainer go to camera and say "this isn't us, we don't do this shit!" Bet they'll be story on news tonight about the silence, the cover ups etc!! I appluade those brave enough to come forward and beleive they did it for the right reasons, it's now up to the rest of the industry participants to take this as your final warning! To stand behind those who have spoken up and denounce this conduct. A united front from LPs that this is unacceptable and we all want to move on without it and race your dogs and love our dogs. Not bury head in sand and cry witch hunt!! PS. Greyhounds are sighthounds not bloodhounds!! Live baiting is unnecessary not to mention ugly and cruel.
    1 point
  40. Emotive

    Dead baiting NSW

    How can you be so deliberately obtuse? The rule has nothing to do with activists, they will never shut down the sport. This is about public opinion and also takes into account the opinion of the sports own members. The rule which states "dead or alive" is also called blooding which is a more accurate term. And it is the blood and guts of a dead animal that you seem sadly hell-bent on holding on to. If you remove the word "Dead" form the rule you leave the cheating door wide open. Why because you are giving permission for those who wish, to kill animals for the purpose of blooding their dogs. "Dead?", is that killed yesterday, this morning, 2 minutes before the poor animal was tied to the lure? Was the live animal acquired for the express purpose of baiting a dog and did you kill it in front of the dog? But your honour it was dead when the dog chased it! Get a grip people, you are living in fantasy land if you believe changing the rule would be to the advantage of the industry. A tanned skin is a by-product of the food industry, a product sold and used for several purposes. If you cannot train a dog using legal means like plenty of trainers do, then you need to hand in your license. If you do not possess the skill to train your dogs without the use of blood, you need to hand in your license. If you cannot change your methodology to produce chasers, you need to go! And what about the opinion of potential adoptees? Those wonderful people who give our dogs a forever home after racing? Do you really believe that group supports your outdated belief? If blooding increases pray drive, then does that prey drive switch off once adopted? A percentage of dogs will fail the temperament test due to genetics and natural prey drive levels. Why would you want to increase that level of failure by blooding a dog? Have you read the comments from adoptee groups? Do you fully understand the harm that this particular investigation has brought upon the sport? NO, no you don't! You are a selfish little man who can't see past his own immediate needs, and you need to go as do the others that support you. The dogs no longer compete using live pray, outlawed many years ago, and guess what the sport survived. The world changes, you change with it or you die. The rule exists, there is no room for interpretation which eliminates the will to cheat. That puts everyone on a level playing field. People reading your comments will now be wondering if the money they wagered was just a donation? Was the outcome dictated by more than punting homework and racing luck? Was it? To be considering any of the above questions is to the detriment of all. And before you come back with some pathetic excuse to bring back fresh skins, along with your usual tirade of abuse, plenty of good trainers are saying F#CK U!.
    1 point
  41. what a post

    Ellerslie today

    I'm with those who say that whoever came up with that idea is not too bright. Confusing the punter is a strange strategy. Try reviewing the races or replaying the videos at a latter date when assessing form for future races and you will just give up. A much simpler way to differentiate the teams would have been for the jockeys from each team to wear the same coloured pants. Say yellow,red,blue,green whatever.
    1 point
  42. shaneMcAlister

    Industry Survey

    Industry survey arrived in my mailbox today, I decided I should fill it out (for what little good it will do). Anyhow to fill it out it requires setting up a google account, into the too hard basket. Crazy.
    1 point
  43. Race 1: 4-7 Race 2: 1-5 Race 3: 2-5 .. BB Race 4: 3-9 Race 5: 3-6 Race 6: 4-12 Race 7: 1-10 Race 8: 1-13 Race 9: 5-12 .. BB Have a beaut day all and thanks PJ/John/Brian
    1 point
  44. rdytdy

    Ellerslie today

    If you are blind squirrel then I suppose it doesn't matter. However It was utter inanity to have those colours tonight making it difficult for punters and commentator alike to follow each race. By all means have the concept but leave the stupidity out.
    1 point
  45. I used to watch racing on trackside every Saturday afternoon - now I replay the DVD of one flew over the cuckoo's nest and find that more entertaining.
    1 point
  46. ....

    Ellerslie today

    What happened to each team having a plain colour such as black/red/green etc then different caps, would make it a lot easier. These mickey mouse patterned colours just dont work.
    1 point
  47. jasonmccook1

    Grassroots Udys

    It is awesome to see you get success as good blokes ( and lovely ladies as cant forget Denise who does all the work ) deserve all the success with the hard work put in. It makes the early morning wake ups and pooper scoopers worth it.
    1 point
  48. It's not a beauty contest Ohoka. She's no nonsense and the Bulldogs picked up their game under her watch. She's a great choice for Aus rugby.
    1 point
  49. what a post

    Dead baiting NSW

    Interesting story that. Does anyone have any faith in the RIU to properly investigate cases like that anyway? This case just proves that point. Its actually easier to now understand why some of the greyhound participants have conflict with each other. It must be frustrating when you tell authorities of illegal practices but they are incapable,or unwilling of doing anything about it
    1 point