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TeRapa Hizzy and that was bullshit. In this day and age, all the information that is out there, punters can make their own judgement call and don’t bother listening to the so called informed opinions. I always give an honest appraisal, but my owners come first, as they pay the bills.

Thank you Brian for a first-rate performance doing the scoring today, and in particular updating for us after every race. Superb. Thank goodness guys like you and John step in so admirably for PJ. I feel bad I can't take a turn as well but I have absolutely no ability with spreadsheets and simply couldn't do the job to anywhere near the standard that PJ, John and you do. Thanks again, Brian.

Yes, it does make you wonder Robert. I have a small share in a trotter, but that is as far as it goes. Graeme Stiles is a pretty competent guy, and I am sure he wouldn’t have wanted the meeting not to go ahead, You do have it over us in a lot of ways, all weather tracks being the main one, but your leaders had a bit more foresight than ours over the last 30 years, but in saying that, Cambridge Harness doesn’t get the fields like they used to and Alexandra Park seem to get all the favours, would this be right? We are so far behind in infrastructure, and I doubt we can ever catch up, it is alright saying courses have to close, but how it it that Ellerslie closes down over the winter period and it is meant to be our flagship course? A patch up job is on the way, will this see us racing there 12 months of the year, I doubt it. You don’t see the 4 metropolitan tracks close down through winter in Melbourne, the trainers would be in an uproar. We are very much a splintered group here in NZ, every section has their own agenda and this is not helping us to unite and fight the battle against our diminishing product. 20 years ago you would have never have seen 4 nominations for a maiden 1200 at Ellerslie on a Saturday. Dwindling foal crops, horsed sold from the sales, privately or being sent off shore by NZ owners is another concern. Sad, but true and until this is addressed and John Allan gets a wriggle on, this is going to be the norm. Fancy not being able to present a balance sheet at the recent Roadshow/ Sideshow........ One young fellow from the audience provided more information than the heirachy, and was asked afterwards by one official, where did you get your information from, as we don’t make that information public knowledge anymore. Does the right hand not know what the left hand is doing down in Wellington? Seems a bit like it! Robert, I will stick to my code, but gee it is getting harder to support the powers to be that are supposedly running it!

I am sure you are correct, and we are very thankful he is. It will give the rest of us chance.

I have heard Mr Pitman on occasions label a horse a certaintly only for it to run poorly. Surely that does just as much harm to more people. Crozier's horse did pay almost $45 so there was hardly a plunge on it. I imagine the trainer was more surprised by the result than most punters. I'm sure he doesn't deserve abuse after having a surprisingly good day at the races.

Do you pay the bills for the horses??? If not then you have to take your chances just like everyone else as you don't have any right to know, only the owners do.

That Graeme Styles at Matamata is possibly NZ's best course caretaker. He is in shock at the abandonment decision, and rightfully so. Just to add insult to injury, two hours after the abandonment, and with party time people at the races, the on course screens were still showing the abandonment rather than Riccarton odds. I am convinced that NZRB and their TAB staff have a much better knowledge of the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi than they know about running a betting business. They cannot comprehend that genuine punters want to bet on gallopers, not poker machines that bark or thieves on wheels. This abandonment might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back. One horse slipped less than 15 centimetres with a hind leg, not a front leg, and that horse was so scratchy in its preliminary that anything could have happened.

Woohoo!!! Lazzie you bloody beaudeee! did it tough to boot yusssss!!!! Cheers Iraklis

Race:: Nine 10. Savannah Gem ~~ 8. Taxihome Win:: ~~ $56.00 Quin:: ~~ $107.40 ~~ $163.40 BB Win ~~ $112.00 BBQ ~~ $214.80 ~~ $326.80 Scr ~~ 3[L] 16 17 Subs:: ~~ 10-7 605.2 ~~ Sharne ~~ BW 494.0 ~~ Hesi ~~ 458.0 ~~ TC ~~ 369.4 ~~ Steve P ~~ BW 361.0 ~~ Steve ~~ BW 339.6 ~~ Korio ~~ W 330.2 ~~ Richie ~~ 315.0 ~~ Skelly ~~ BW 311.2 ~~ Rex[Sir G] ~~ BW 309.6 ~~ Robert ~~ 303.0 ~~ Pete ~~ 284.0 ~~ Rex Zim ~~ W 278.2 ~~ Jen ~~ BW 274.2 ~~ Tony ~~ BW 264.0 ~~ Dave ~~ BW 251.0 ~~ Ian ~~ BW 247.8 ~~ Howie ~~ W 221.8 ~~ Gordy ~~ 218.0 ~~ Maureen ~~ W 215.2 ~~ Rosina ~~ W 204.0 ~~ Gruff ~~ BW 198.2 ~~ Rees ~~ BW 185.0 ~~ PJ ~~ 162.0 ~~ Betty ~~ W 160.0 ~~ Catalano ~~ 154.0 ~~ Jill ~~ W 150.0 ~~ Cubes ~~ W 140.0 ~~ Jack ~~ 130.0 ~~ Roland ~~ 130.0 ~~ Al ~~ 120.0 ~~ Casper ~~ W 109.0 ~~ Graeme ~~ W 99.2 ~~ Ray ~~ 98.0 ~~ Maria ~~ 89.2 ~~ John ~~ 77.0 ~~ Brian ~~ 73.2 ~~ Porky ~~ 0.0 ~~ Punter P ~~ 0.0 ~~ Rob ~~ 0.0 ~~ Maurice ~~ 0.0 ~~ Nick ~~ 0.0 ~~ Seddon ~~ 0.0 ~~ Mr Gee ~~ 8,729.2 Ave 203.0 DOLLARS TOTAL 1,883.60 ~~ Steve P 1,653.40 ~~ Tony 1,353.00 ~~ Pete 1,350.60 ~~ Rex[Sir G] 1,336.20 ~~ Sharne 1,304.00 ~~ Richie 1,236.80 ~~ Skelly 1,172.80 ~~ Rees --------------------------------Profit Line $1166 1,143.00 ~~ Dave 1,127.40 ~~ Porky 1,117.00 ~~ Catalano 1,113.00 ~~ Casper 1,058.80 ~~ PJ 1,057.00 ~~ TC 1,047.00 ~~ Howie 1,030.60 ~~ Robert 951.40 ~~ Hesi 892.80 ~~ Betty 887.00 ~~ Rosina 885.00 ~~ Maureen 881.20 ~~ Korio 880.80 ~~ Rex Zim 783.00 ~~ Steve 781.80 ~~ Ian 780.60 ~~ Cubes 757.00 ~~ Roland 744.20 ~~ Jen 721.80 ~~ John 710.00 ~~ Jack 708.00 ~~ Maria 702.80 ~~ Gordy 696.00 ~~ Graeme 678.80 ~~ Jill 636.00 ~~ Gruff 584.60 ~~ Punter P 568.60 ~~ Rob 544.60 ~~ Ray 517.00 ~~ Brian 495.00 ~~ Al 433.60 ~~ Maurice 349.80 ~~ Nick 294.80 ~~ Seddon 21.00 ~~ Mr Gee POINTS TOTAL [Today's score on the right] 66 ~~ Steve P ~~ 12 31 ~~ Sharne ~~ 25 31 ~~ Richie ~~ 6 26 ~~ Tony ~~ 25 ~~ Pete ~~ 25 ~~ Betty ~~ 23 ~~ Skelly ~~ 4 20 ~~ Hesi ~~ 18 18 ~~ Roland ~~ 17 ~~ TC ~~ 15 17 ~~ Casper ~~ 16 ~~ Korio ~~ 8 16 ~~ Rex[Sir G] ~~ 2 16 ~~ Rees ~~ 15 ~~ Howie ~~ 15 ~~ PJ ~~ 15 ~~ Catalano ~~ 12 ~~ Jack ~~ 12 ~~ Rob ~~ 11 ~~ Robert ~~ 1 11 ~~ Porky ~~ 10 ~~ Steve ~~ 10 10 ~~ Maureen ~~ 10 ~~ Maria ~~ 8 ~~ Dave ~~ 8 ~~ Rosina ~~ 8 ~~ Punter P ~~ 7 ~~ John ~~ 4 ~~ Gruff ~~ 2 ~~ Graeme ~~ 0 ~~ Rex Zim ~~ 0 ~~ Jen ~~ 0 ~~ Ian ~~ 0 ~~ Gordy ~~ 0 ~~ Jill ~~ 0 ~~ Cubes ~~ 0 ~~ Al ~~ 0 ~~ Ray ~~ 0 ~~ Brian ~~ 0 ~~ Maurice ~~ 0 ~~ Nick ~~ 0 ~~ Seddon ~~ 0 ~~ Mr Gee ~~ THANKS EVERYONE

I thoughts on that is that too much money is being given to the Prem clubs and the industry clubs are struggling because they are running race meetings and the cost to both is around the samebut what they get from NZTR is alot different. 30g compared to 50-60g and no share of the tote like the bigger meetings. If you look at Elleslie for example on Saturday the fields were alot smaller than what was scheduled for Matamata to day but because of the grading system that is in place Elleslie will get more money than what Matamata would get. Can you tell me that Ellselie needs more money to prepare their track compared to Matamata as it is obvious the answer is no. Track preperation cost the same no matter whether you race on a mid week meeting or a saturday meeting so perhaps the stucture needs to change

Bay Insurance and Dawson Insurance had a reserved area for their Christmas function on course. Upwards of 80 staff and clients present. They will leave the course thinking that N.Z. Racing is a cosmic joke.

Just wondering how the track can be rated Good3, then with no rain it is dangerous to race on??? especially as the bend had not been negotiated. Stipe interviewed on Trackside said nothing about an irrigation malfunction causing an obvious "soft spot" so maybe it was one of the vagaries of racing (and life) where a misstep was taken. Horses slip over running around in their paddocks FFS. Next thing they will abandon when a strapper is head-butted or stood-on by a horse deeming it an unsafe practice to try and control the noble beast.

I just wonder how long all concerned are going to be able to continue on with Thoroughbred racing? Health and Safety is so strict these days, it is impossible to accept the variables of Thoroughbred racing that has been always part of our sport. Cheers. Robert.

My earlier comment about Lazarus's main competition being the track turned out to be pretty much right, except that it gave too much credit to the track. I should have had more faith. The ease with which Lazarus won meant the race didn't have the drama of last year's, but it's always a pleasure to see a true champion in action. The toughness of Gammalite combined with the brilliance of Christian Cullen.

Strained a muscle in my shoulder prising the Challenge Shield off the boardroom wall at Mighty Blues HQ. Wasted effort, as new champ and shield-holder Pete put it straight back up on the wall at ...you guessed it .....Mighty Blues HQ. Sooner or later , most likely much later, we'll be letting someone else play with the Challenge Shield. But just like the mainland cheese ...these things take time you know. Meantime just leave it in our Mighty Blues capable hands. Thanks very much for doing the scoring today, John. Much Appreciated. These my selections will run the nine quinellas today at Trentham :- R1 2 - Gift of Power Plenty of upside, nicely weighted, CWJ doing the steering, what's not to like. 4 - Celebratedachiever G&D Rogerson quinella to kick off the day. Will give the fav plenty to think about. R Elliot in good form. R2 5 - Katiem Marie A horse on the rise, well-weighted and should run the 3200m out well. 1`- Doctor Watson Has been up a long time but still putting in on each occasion. Very solid stayer. Claim brings him right in to this. R3 1 - Espumoso Ticks all the boxes and a deserved favourite. Will take a very special effort to top him off. 2 - King Louis No fancy price this quinella. Ran home ever so stoutly at debut, and will be a better horse now. R4 5 - Savvy Coup Has furnished quickly in to a very nice racehorse. Nicely drawn, CWJ on top. Has to be the one. 6 - Kirkland Was expected to run well at debut ...and did. Second up not so good, but expected to bounce back strongly at a decent price. R5 1 - William Wallace Looks a special. Weight won't stop him. Money in the bank. 7 - Scandalo Is doing everything right, and CWJ to aid the passage from the '9' draw. Should run the quinella. R6 Best Bet 1 4 - Star Quality A promising type representing some value in a wide open affair. Has my vote. 12 - Play The Field Has been all around the winners circle without quite cracking it. Today may well be the day. Matt Cameron on board from the ace draw. R7 Best Bet 2 2 - Hoist Efforts to date hold much merit. Is well up to winning this, and a bit of weight relief helps. I'm on. 3 - Eagle Bay Impressive formline in short career to date. Looks a strong chance to carry that form on kicking off new campaign today. R8 1 - Kawi Has beaten much better fields, and if he's still the Kawi we know he will put them away in this. 10 - Coldplay Very nice last time out. A horse on the rise. Should get a sweet trip from the ace draw for J Parkes and be ever so strong in the finish. R9 9 - Seraphim Anyone who saw Seraphim win last time out wouldn't want to be on anything else. Wins. 11 - Classic Touch Very strong two starts back, and not far away last time. Overall form very sound. Should run Seraphim the closest.

generally we try to keep Punters club site deviant free ket...maybe post this on main discussion forum and take the wrath... what you do in your own time is your business...BUT... Ladies and Gentlemen in Punters club, myself included can do without it and computer problems associated with opening unknown links.

Onya Harewood awesum! I plan to go get 'fallin over' myself LMAO..... Cheers Iraklis

Are then any knockers now please speak up

Wow wow wow I was soooo happy and cheering I fell over on the grass haha An outstanging run and oh so easy

You only need some longer grass in places that perhaps the mower missed, that can get slippery in the sun, I think we all remember days of wetting grass a little or longer grass hot in the sun that softens, and sliding over it, lawn surfing, when younger. Often a brush before the races or during can help. Some spots, one horse hits it, it causes indecision and what ifs set in and there you go.. unsafe. I don't think it needs to call for the track supervisor's scalp... we are starting to get like sports teams that lose a match and sack the manager. We are seeing, I believe, just me ... global warming and unknown seasons, weather patterns, making a huge difference to soil, growth, drainage.. many things that track supervisors in the past could monitor and forecast pretty well.. not now. It's a demanding job these days and perhaps all weather tracks will be something to be considered for more reliable scheduling.

Boy ,Steve P is going to be hard to mow down. Impressive totals my boy.

You do have the right not to be misinformed though. Not saying this was the case here as didn't hear what was said. Where did you get that info Nice Option ?

Hi Chris, We might get more sense from the staff that are left at home!! On a serious note Chris, how much longer can trainers survive with the uncertainty of Thoroughbred racing? Would you ever consider changing to Harness Racing? All weather tracks, regular trials, workouts and most of all guaranteed racing. Cheers. Robert.

Hard to lay blame until you get all the facts. We could shoot over to HK to get all the answers from all the knowledgeable NZTR staff that have gone there.

I posted this in RIU NEWS FORUM ....echo , echo !!

Any reason for marks denim shorts on her head ?

Hey Hall you're allowed two selections in each race and you're allowed to nominate two races as your Best Bet races

Lazarus slays them http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GP081217#GPM08121715 The Machete dominates.... http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GP081217#GPM08121715

Hi John, Please delete my best bet for race 4. Thanks for scoring today. Tony

The rule is four years old, did you challenge the rule at the time, did any of the detractors challenge the rule at the time, did anyone at all challenge it at the time? I don't remember any challenge. Whether you think it's stupid or not, it remains the rule. Are you saying that because it is "stupid" we all should ignore it? Get over it, it is here to stay.

Seems like a really nice guy adequate horseman, but surely his driving days at the Purdon/Rasmussen stable are numbered, Incredibly poor drive on The Devils's Own tonight should have lead and won end of story!!!

It does happen. Two weeks ago I was at the races and a "good" friend of mine had a runner having her first start back from a spell. She's a nice horse (by Sebring) and his Trainer, whom I know very well said this. " she's really well but It will be too short for her and I'm just looking to her to run home from the back. I can't recommend that you back her". We were having lunch with about 8 other friends and my friend told everybody at the table just what the Trainer said. Don't back her. But he then went on to say, "Look, personally I think she's an each way chance paying $40. She looks well and she might surprise us. I think she's got a bit of quality about her". With that, most got up and backed her each way. Another friend of mine (Alan), put $100ew at $38fixed odds and also put $100 on a one out quinella with a horse I said "I" was backing to win. Yep, this story has a good and bad ending. The good part is the Trainer was right (and wrong). The horse flew home from the back and got up in the last stride to WIN ! Everyone on the table (thanks to the Owner) were jumping up and down, especially Alan who had tickets in his pocket worth $9000 (yep Quinella got up). All the while, I was sitting there with a dud win ticket on the 2nd horse!! I didnt had a cent on the winner! That's racing It ended up paying $41 on the tote. So, how can you blame the trainer? He gave an honest appraisal of the horses chance but her quality got her over the line. (By the way, theTrainer does not bet).

Oh hell no, got drunken an disorderly (geez can yuh keep it down little delicate this mornin) but no!.....tho I do feel a bit dead, furry tongue (gawd what'd I drink again, no don't wanna go there bugga) an, an, ooh it's all horrible this mornin geezuz I hope Lazzie knows it's all his fault! goin and bloody winnin like that an all LMAO Cheers Iraklis (very subdued)

Commercially tanned sheepskin to be precise, as per the rules. Quite specific are our rules. No room for confusion.

the problem with this is punters stop betting if fed misleading info by trainers etc, and even more people think the whole game is a rort. By all means give the owners the best information you can (trainers can be distinctly average there as well mind you ). And then either tell the truth to the media or just avoid the media. Pretty simple really (and maybe Danny did exactly that - makes you wonder about judgement if that is the case though doesnt it....)

Bloody heck, Hesi says all the best tippers are coming from a very small hotspot in that hotbed of boganism, West Auckland, Gordy, Steve P and to a lesser extent Hesi, although he was man of the match in the Grand Final when it really mattered

I am not sure that Lazarus is returning for the Auckland Cup. I think he is staying in Australia for Hunter Cup etc?

Great stuff, kiwis rule But who's will drive him in the Auckland Cup as Purdon out for 26 days? I choose Herlihy or David Butcher . Would be nice to see Nathan get a chance though.

Woop woop Lazarus... slayed them. You beauty. And the Machete cut them to pieces. Great night for the Kiwis!!!

A privalidge to be here and watch One of the all time greats

Hesi said, we thought we might have to be buying less Xmas cards this year, but dear Steven, you have come to the party admirably

Thats an old classic quote, you hear it so often these, my interpretation is that they don't really have a clue, how they will go, lets face it not always the best horse wins the race, luck in the running plays the biggest part, and that is out of everyone's control, pay your money and take your chances, you learn never to take to much notice of the interviews.

Hmm may have something to say about that now

fully agree with everything you have said. Going by the replies on here it seems many believe there is a need to prevent members of the public viewing races in which dogs get injured,then they point out anyone can view it on the nz greyhound website anyway. One assumes they realise anyone includes those who do not support the sport. this comment reflects the way you have viewed my statements,i think it unfortunate you have knowingly or mistakenly put a spin on what I have said to discredit my comments, I don't take it personally as I know its an emotive subject,and you clearly have strong beliefs. I just hope you are consistent in standing up for welfare issues when commenting on all issues and personalities related thereto, My concern from your comments would be you may believe in dealing with welfare issues out of the view of the public.,

The track condition and maintenance in too many areas of NZ are a disgrace !

Dollar updates after races 1-3-5-7-9 Points for today and Points Total after race 9 GOOD LUCK EVERYONE

Any race incidents are seen in the live telecast on trackside.If you want to see it again simply push the rewind button and then use the slow mo option on your remote.Technology today allows you watch things over and over again on demand in your own time. Remember the other 2 codes and sporting codes dont have a dellusional idiot tracking EVERYTHING that happens in their codes.To the extent of even ringing dog transporters demanding evidence of greyhounds being shipped to China. AC

Helloooo Bri R1: 1-5 R2: 3-4 .. BB R3: 6-8 R4: 7-12 R5: 3-7 R6: 2-5 R7: 4-6 R8: 1-6 .. BB R9: 6-8 Ta muchly

I Thought the captain was the last person to leave a sinking ship looks like him and the Chief of staff were in the first life boat

I think you've confused that with the rumour about the jewels. Never fear, RIU have advised case to be finalized before the glaciers melt.