hedley

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Hedley Jordan

..the protocols of deception and manipulation..for all political 'steer' and other...right down to common rorts and conns, will be revealed to your mind's eyes..upon grasping the 'info' in these links:

http://fightforourfreedom.blogspot....st-tool-of.html

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.co...n_principle.htm

http://www.learn-usa.com/transforma...cess/acf003.htm

http://www.learn-usa.com/education_...ation/er003.htm

http://www.geocities.com/thomasreport/hegelian.html

..but then, Some of you knew this

[helps you make sense of why the weather is manipulated in an attempt to give creedence to the conn of global warming..as per other posts i've made on that matter., as well as global terrorism,..what's gone wrong with our 'youth-of-today'..to coin an old phrase now...even the Cave-Creek 'stunt'..as an Altar!]

Grahame Noblet

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Grahame Noblet

Only makes sense if one is a "conspiracy theorist" and an adherent of German philosophy.

Grahame Noblet

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Grahame Noblet

Karl Mark was inspired by some of Hegel's political philosophies and take notice of what happened.

Philocon

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Phil O'Connell

Comments like that show a lack of understanding of both Hegelian and Marxist dialectics including the links that Hedley provided. There was a whole school of phiosophers who used the basic concepts of Hegelian philosophy of thesis and antithesis and not all were Marxists. There are many quite conservative positions which have been influenced by both Marx and Hegel. Hegel influenced many different philosophers many conservative and many radical, liberal and left wing. Hegel did not inspire Marx but did influence him in some ways just as he did many others. Also nowhere did either Marx or Hegel in their work suggest the degree of manipulation some people attribute to them. They did an analysis of the development of society that saw it in terms of Hegel's concepts of thesis and antihesis giving rise to synthesis etc. Marx differed from Hegel in many respects and their views often conflicted including Marx's approach to materialism etc but it is subsequent conspiracy theorists that have come up with the ideas expressed in the links Hedley provided.

Actually as an atheist Grahame I would suspect that Marx's analysis of religion and it's role in society would be closer to your view of it than the anti-Hegelian conspiracy theorists, even if you don't share many of his other analyses.

Most of Marx's and Hegels work analysed and defined the processes to explain social development and change, problems came later when some zealots set about applying, misapplying, interpreting and misinterpreting them.

Philocon

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Phil O'Connell

What was sinister about the principles expressed by Hegel? His theories set out to explain things not control and direct as conspiracy theorists would have us believe.
Global warming has little to do with Hegel or any of the 19th C German School of philosophers Fichte, Schelling, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Marx, Nietzsche and many others. It is simply a matter of the majority of the scientific community over time having come to similar conclusions on climate change and a small minority that disagrees. This has been reflected in society in general, in the business world, social & political etc. Hegel and Marx and their followers in their models showed the development of society in general and social change but this is as much a misapplication of their studies as to apply it to the outcome of a horse or dog race.

hedley

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Hedley Jordan

..simply, that 'management-by-crisis' has been the tool derived...and used to create forced change...

..weather manipulation creates extreme weather...we're told it's because of global warming increasing at an alarming rate...then sold all the so-called solutions

..build a viewing platform designed to collapse...we're told that by privatising or corporatising..and coming up with D.O.C., it can't happen again

..now., Plainly!, that's "management-by-crisis"...all of it Created!

..M. by C.,..= 'mandate farmed'

[and i'm sure we've noticed it used within 'Racing"..mandate-farming]

[noticed mandate being 'farmed' on the fiasco of road toll payment!...created chaos., smart-cards receive a further 'quick-march' forth!]

..that's enough Phil., now drink that water i've led you the horse to

Philocon

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Phil O'Connell

You've confused a whole lot of different often unrelated concepts into one Hedley and then used them combined to try and prove your point.
Yes I agree "management by crisis" is often used by non democrats or pseudo democrats to push through particular policies and coerce support where it would otherwise not be forthcoming. It doesn't necessarily mean the crisis was artificially created (although it could be) it means the crisis has been used to get through legislation and policies that the public otherwise would not accept. That has happened often here and elsewhere and by both sides of the political spectrum.
I agree ther corporatisation process was to a large degree a con although it had some good points. However the con was the assumptuion that everything the private sector does they do better than the public sector and this is patently not true. Just look at the performance of some of those privatised assets since, not all did well or better. It is also untrue in reverse. One major factor overlooked was the quality of management and this can be bad in either sector. This fad resulted in a lot of institutional memory and proven practices that had stood the test of time being ditched and the wheel needing to be reinvented a few years later at substantial cost to the taxpayers. The other major con was that corporatisation was not a first step to privatisation of essential assets. It needn't be but in the hands of the politicians running the process at the time it was. Cave creek was an example of managerial neglect, not having proper maintenace procedures and plans in place, incompetency and lack of accountability.
But part of a grand conspiracy, I think not. many conspiracy theories more often than not grow out of cockups and ineptitude, few turn out to be genuine conspiracies but that is a simpler and easier conclusion to jump to than taxing the brain trying to work out what really went wrong.

Crisis management is not the problem Hedley, all crises need to be managed, it's using the crisis to coerce acquiesence from people who otherwise would not agree to something and yes we've seen the tactic used in racing in all three codes and other organisations as well. sometiomes those pushing things through in the name of the crisis may not realise their role and believe in what they are doing at the time. genuine planned conspiracies are a lot rarer than many of us think.

No you haven't led me anywhere near the water, if I was a horse i'd be rearing up and savaging you by now to stop you leading me to it and if a greyhound, I'd have slipped my collar and gone looking for a hare to chase. i certainly won't be drinking from that trough.

Brown Fox

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Graeme Smith

Great Blogs Phil and Hedley.

Grahame Noblet

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Grahame Noblet

I think that this paragraph of yours HELPS to explain your view of this very original posting by Hedley,good one Phil.

hedley

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Hedley Jordan

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